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Post by wiscwhip on Jan 26, 2017 11:32:55 GMT -6
Dbltree seed mix and rotation
Plant ALL in one plot in strips or blocks
Alice, Kopu II, Durana (or comparable) white clover 10% of plot, sow at 6#'s per acre with the rye combination in the fall or in the spring with oats and berseem clover. Correct Ph and P&K with soil tests
Brassicas in 45% of plot
Purple Top Turnips 3# Dwarf Essex Rape 2# GroundHog Forage radish 5#
Plant in mid to late July in most Midwest states, or 60-90 days before your first killing frost, Use 200#'s of 46-0-0 urea and 400#'s of 6-28-28 per acre. Follow the dead brassicas with oats and berseem or crimson clover in mid spring at 60#'s oats and 12-15#'s berseem clover and/or crimson and/or 50#'s of chickling vetch)
Cereal Grain combo in 45% of plot...we use 50# each rye, oats and peas along with radish and clover seed all planted in half of each feeding area
Winter rye 50-80#'s per acre (56#'s = a bushel) Spring oats 50-120#'s per acre (32#'s = a bushel) Frostmaster Winter Peas or 4010/6040 Forage peas 20-80#'s per acre
Red Clover 8-12#'s per acre or white clover at 6#'s per acre (or 20-40 pounds hairy vetch and 20-30#'s crimson clover on sandy soils) Groundhog Forage Radish 5#'s per acre
Plant in late August to early September, if following well fertilized brassicas use 100 - 200#'s of urea, if starting a new plot add 400#'s of 6-28-28 but for best results soil test and add only what is necessary.
Rotate the brassicas and rye combo each year
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Post by Satchmo on Jan 26, 2017 15:04:47 GMT -6
Great place to start this thread Whip!!!
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Post by nhmountains on Jan 26, 2017 18:14:58 GMT -6
Whip,
When Paul says plant in strips, does that mean a strip of clovers that's 10% of the total? A strip of brassicas that's 45% and a strip of winter rye or Cerial grains that's 45%? I usually mix my clovers with the WR the first year and then the clover takes over. So I usually have a section of the clovers and then a section of brassicas. About 50/50. Then I hear other people say they mix everything together over the whole plot.
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Post by wiscwhip on Jan 26, 2017 19:08:54 GMT -6
NH, that is the general idea, but even Paul would tell you that there are many ways to do this and none are really wrong. Ideally you would have the cereal mix on one end, the perennial clover in the middle and the brassicas on the other end, then the next year you swap ends.
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Post by Foggy on Jan 27, 2017 10:37:24 GMT -6
I've always used my trails for the clover (and sometimes for rye too) and the trails lead from one food plot to the other. I try to rotate the annuals in those plots as suggested by Paul.
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Post by wiscwhip on Jan 27, 2017 13:26:36 GMT -6
Link to Paul Knox's information(Dbltree's Corner) on Iowa Whitetails forum:
The link below goes to the main forum page where Paul's info is kept. There you will find all of his informational threads from Hinge Cutting to Herbicides to Native Grasses to all kinds of Food Plots:
iowawhitetail.com/forum/forums/dbltrees-corner.45/
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Post by wiscwhip on Jan 27, 2017 13:30:12 GMT -6
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Post by Foggy on Jul 31, 2018 12:50:24 GMT -6
I planted this brassica (PTT, DER,GHR) mix about two weeks ago in some pretty sandy land on my property. Grasses are taking over. Can I spray these with cleth? .....or?? Suggest a mixture??
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Post by wiscwhip on Jul 31, 2018 13:03:02 GMT -6
I think you'd be fine with the cleth alone, but it needs to be mixed with some type of surfactant and that might be the thing that causes issues with leaf burn depending on what you use, so be mindful of that.
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Post by Foggy on Jul 31, 2018 15:52:32 GMT -6
I think you'd be fine with the cleth alone, but it needs to be mixed with some type of surfactant and that might be the thing that causes issues with leaf burn depending on what you use, so be mindful of that. Thanks for the quick post to my question today Whip!! I could not remember for certain on the Cleth and I was on the road and away from my chemicals to look it up.....and wanted to get this done today.....before the rains come tommorow. Anyway.....I had some non-ionic sufacide that I use with the cloth. Hopefully that does not burn anything. I appreciate your post and fast response!......you 'da man. . I got lots of other tractor time in.....and prepared a new plot with my "old" John Deere today as it was going to rain tommorow. Later I will post the pics on the Foggy land tour thread. The deer flies bit me up a bit.....but I got 'er done......and it was fun to do one last food plot with my pal John Deere. .
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Post by wintomatic on Mar 23, 2019 17:44:46 GMT -6
Did they remove The dbltree section from Outreach Outdoors?
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Post by Tooln on Mar 23, 2019 20:43:35 GMT -6
Did they remove The dbltree section from Outreach Outdoors? Haven't been to the site in a while but they are fools if they did.
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Post by nhmountains on Mar 23, 2019 20:56:21 GMT -6
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Post by buckvelvet on Mar 25, 2019 12:55:08 GMT -6
Paul knox was a wealth of information and a rocksolid guy in his faith. He really just did it like keep it simple stupid more less. I had a few conversations with him and it was always enlightening.
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Post by kooch on Aug 28, 2020 14:54:19 GMT -6
Remember when you first found the online habitat community, then discovered all the LC threads? Man that was such good reading the first time through. They are still interesting and fun. Too bad about the photobucket thing....
One of these days I'll find a new interest and maybe I'll get that same dose of knowledge from some other person.
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