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Post by Bwoods11 on Jan 1, 2018 12:54:39 GMT -6
Cedars and switchgrass is some of the best bedding I've seen. I think deer prefer it over timber in certain areas.
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 1, 2018 13:18:30 GMT -6
That is what the coyote hunters tell me. They also emphasize how many fawns are killed by coyotes, but I have always had a good fawn crop if I have does. Coyote hunters would be here twice a week for most of the winter. There are about three groups of them in this area. You're decision art but I've heard for many years about the low deer numbers you have. You could set who and when guys hunt the property. I let my neighbor coyote hunt every year on my place and the number of deer has increased every year. I have been wrong before, Wade. You might be correct. Last year I more or less let them hunt as their dogs were in our woods all ready. One week later they were in there again and my wife caught one of the hound in our yard. He pissed on our siding and on the post by our porch.
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Post by wklman on Jan 1, 2018 13:38:39 GMT -6
You're decision art but I've heard for many years about the low deer numbers you have. You could set who and when guys hunt the property. I let my neighbor coyote hunt every year on my place and the number of deer has increased every year. I have been wrong before, Wade. You might be correct. Last year I more or less let them hunt as their dogs were in our woods all ready. One week later they were in there again and my wife caught one of the hound in our yard. He pissed on our siding and on the post by our porch. I hear ya art. They pretty much do what they want anyhow since the dogs run loose and chase the coyote where it goes. The only difference in anything is that they can kill a coyote on land with permission and only retrieve their dogs on land they don't.
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Post by nhmountains on Jan 1, 2018 14:18:14 GMT -6
I'd say if the houndsmen can take a few coyotes in a day or two then that is a positive thing. The deer here are subject to coyotes 365 days a year with or without a designated non human sanctuary area. The deer will know very quickly whether the hounds are after them or something else. My guess is here they'd hang tight 90% of the time. The coyotes usually take off when chased and go for miles. They're either killed or at least run down some and away from where they started.
If the hounds end up or start at your home I'd tell them you don't want them near the house. They should bide by that.
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Post by batman on Jan 1, 2018 14:27:30 GMT -6
Down south they fence areas off and the deer learn that the dogs never go there. Deer dog sanctuary. Not suggesting it - just an FYI
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Post by sd51555 on Jan 1, 2018 22:09:00 GMT -6
You're decision art but I've heard for many years about the low deer numbers you have. You could set who and when guys hunt the property. I let my neighbor coyote hunt every year on my place and the number of deer has increased every year. I have been wrong before, Wade. You might be correct. Last year I more or less let them hunt as their dogs were in our woods all ready. One week later they were in there again and my wife caught one of the hound in our yard. He pissed on our siding and on the post by our porch. If they're running thru your property, are they much worse than the coyotes? I might pre-dig some holes out back somewhere in case you need one quickly.
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Post by wklman on Jan 1, 2018 22:16:09 GMT -6
I have been wrong before, Wade. You might be correct. Last year I more or less let them hunt as their dogs were in our woods all ready. One week later they were in there again and my wife caught one of the hound in our yard. He pissed on our siding and on the post by our porch. If they're running thru your property, are they much worse than the coyotes? I might pre-dig some holes out back somewhere in case you need one quickly. Most houndsman have tracking collars on their dogs these days. You better bury them awfully quick or you'll be replacing a $5000.00+ dog. Hate to say it but the law is on the coyote hunters side on that one.
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 2, 2018 7:34:36 GMT -6
If they're running thru your property, are they much worse than the coyotes? I might pre-dig some holes out back somewhere in case you need one quickly. Most houndsman have tracking collars on their dogs these days. You better bury them awfully quick or you'll be replacing a $5000.00+ dog. Hate to say it but the law is on the coyote hunters side on that one. When the dog was in our yard last winter, the hunters were sitting on the township road and hidden behind the windbreak. The collars told them exactly where the dog was. They probably even heard my wife as she caught the dog. I would not shoot their dogs as I understand their value to the hunters and these guys are friends/ acquaintances. One of these groups has been the state championship coyote hunters for several years. They really like to hunt my woods as I am surrounded by open ground and they are very likely to get a shot.
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 2, 2018 7:36:34 GMT -6
Old study’s indicates that Deer can go into a reduced metabolism state during the dead of winter. I wonder if being run out onto fields and then back changes that metabolism. Anyone else remember that?
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Post by batman on Jan 2, 2018 8:15:02 GMT -6
Old study’s indicates that Deer can go into a reduced metabolism state during the dead of winter. I wonder if being run out onto fields and then back changes that metabolism. Anyone else remember that? Heart beat drops - food intake, metabolism. Body rumored to really slow down. Same thing happens to super old dudes.
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Post by nhmountains on Jan 2, 2018 8:46:20 GMT -6
Old study’s indicates that Deer can go into a reduced metabolism state during the dead of winter. I wonder if being run out onto fields and then back changes that metabolism. Anyone else remember that? Yes, I talked with Larry Benoit's son Lanny about that years ago. They can get pneumonia and die even if the coyotes doesn't catch them. I used to hunt rabbits with beagles in deep snow for many years. The deer seemed to know the hounds were chasing something else and didn't spook very often.
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 2, 2018 10:28:32 GMT -6
Old study’s indicates that Deer can go into a reduced metabolism state during the dead of winter. I wonder if being run out onto fields and then back changes that metabolism. Anyone else remember that? Heart beat drops - food intake, metabolism. Body rumored to really slow down. Same thing happens to super old dudes. I will take your word on the old dudes. My intake hasn’t dropped off and I am adapting to the cold weather with a bigger body mass. Sad but true.
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Post by sd51555 on Jan 2, 2018 21:13:22 GMT -6
Send those dogs back with some paintball marks then.
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Post by batman on Mar 2, 2018 7:58:23 GMT -6
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