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Post by Foggy on Feb 6, 2017 18:16:35 GMT -6
So, the other day I got a big packet in the mail from my Forester. He had all the truck tickets and compiled all the data from my timber sale.......and the packet included a check and a bill from him for his services. I thought some of you guys may like this info. Here is data taken from his compilation:
Totals Scaled Volumes Biomass Scaled Tons 1,331.51 = $6,657.55 (sold at $5 / ton) Aspen Cords 75.87 = $1,896.75 (sold at $25 / cord) Mixed Pine Bolts 864.61 = $30,361.35 (sold at $35 / cord)
Total sale acres: 48 Totals load tickets: 130 Income per acre logged: $808.66
Total scaled value of sale: $38,815.65 ($15,000 was paid prior to cutting any trees, and a check for the balance came with this compilation)
My Forester sent me a bill for his services in this sale: $5046.03 (but I traded an extra Herd seeder to him for a $250 credit)
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Post by Foggy on Feb 6, 2017 18:19:50 GMT -6
I think i got a bargain in the price my forester charged me.....and I think he said he needs to get a bit higher percentage in the future. (I believe he wants about 15% of an average sale) I am quite happy with our arrangement......but I have not seen my property after they were done. (came back to OZ) He (forester) assures me they did a nice job with the clean up. I like the idea of all that biomass getting ground up and hauled away. Not something every logger will do. I think I could have gotten a slightly higher price from a few other loggers.....but none would have treated my land like these guys did.
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Post by Foggy on Feb 6, 2017 18:41:46 GMT -6
I hesitated to post the numbers from my sale. But then I thought it could be "educational" to be able to evaluate the timber value of a pine forest with relatively mature trees.
I did have some pine beetles starting to kill a few of my trees......and it was spreading. I think I may have gotten just ahead of a problem by selling now......and the deer habitat will be much improved. NOW.....if CWD doesnt nip my plans in the bud.......argh.
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Post by smsmith on Feb 6, 2017 18:44:48 GMT -6
I can't comment on the money, because I have no idea what logging is worth here. I do know the loggers you had certainly appeared to be top notch. I've seen some horrific places that were logged by unscrupulous loggers...and it is really sad.
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Post by nhmountains on Feb 6, 2017 19:01:21 GMT -6
Foggy,
Thanks for posting. Is the biomass the tree tops and limbs that they chipped that otherwise would've been left to rot?
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Post by Tooln on Feb 6, 2017 19:59:15 GMT -6
From the pics you have shown I'd say you got the right guys for the job. I'm sure you'll be happy when you get back from OZ.
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Post by Sandbur on Feb 6, 2017 20:25:34 GMT -6
I need to see what the beetles are doing to my plantation.
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Post by sd51555 on Feb 6, 2017 20:33:44 GMT -6
That is crazy profitable Foggy! Way to go! First thought that entered my mind was what is the land worth with or without trees on it? I clearly messed up by paying what I did for my property with no saleable timber on it.
You done well man.
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Post by Satchmo on Feb 6, 2017 20:54:51 GMT -6
Thanks for posting the info Foggy. It is indeed informative. Great to hear you got a good crew in there.
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Post by Foggy on Feb 6, 2017 21:26:13 GMT -6
From the pics you have shown I'd say you got the right guys for the job. I'm sure you'll be happy when you get back from OZ. Yep.....the biomass is the tree tops, limbs and junk trees that got ground up in to chips and mulch. They blow it into big semi trailers and haul it away. I was told they use it to help burn garbage and such.....in order to get a hotter fire and thus cleaner combustion.
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Post by westbranch on Feb 6, 2017 22:44:36 GMT -6
My brother has hauled woodchips for a winter or two. They actually use them as biomass power at Sappi in Cloquet. You ever see how they unload trucks like that? I guess they don't let you ride it up.
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Post by badgerfowl on Feb 6, 2017 22:58:07 GMT -6
Wow that's crazy! I think I've seen something similar at a Del Monte plant.
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Post by nhmountains on Feb 7, 2017 0:40:51 GMT -6
Wow. That must be a sight to be seen in person.
So it sounds like chipping the tops and limbs would cover the forester charges on most logging operations. That is good to know. I've seen some jobs around here where they left the tops and limbs after clear cutting. Looked like tons of chips per acre. I know they recommend leaving tops in heavy browse areas to help revenue but, these were not in heavy browse areas. It looked to me like they chopped the limbs in to smaller sections and covered the ground so they'd rot down. You could not walk without stepping on them.
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Post by Foggy on Feb 7, 2017 7:57:18 GMT -6
Wow. That must be a sight to be seen in person. So it sounds like chipping the tops and limbs would cover the forester charges on most logging operations. That is good to know. I've seen some jobs around here where they left the tops and limbs after clear cutting. Looked like tons of chips per acre. I know they recommend leaving tops in heavy browse areas to help revenue but, these were not in heavy browse areas. It looked to me like they chopped the limbs in to smaller sections and covered the ground so they'd rot down. You could not walk without stepping on them. ^ My trees were mostly pines......so the tops and limbs from those red pines wouldn't supply any food for the deer. I did have a little Aspen.....but the regen in the aspen area should be terrific. I think if you had all oak and birch and aspen and those types.....the tree tops would be of more value. I also got the logging company to take a few large piles of logs I had stacked up......and grind it into bio-mass. They don't get it all.....but I would imagine about 80% + of the mass and slash was hauled away. I was a bit surprised by how that quantity of biomass added up to some dollars.
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Post by westbranch on Feb 7, 2017 8:22:37 GMT -6
Did the forester say if he expected any slower regrowth due to removing biomass? I have heard that it can slow things down the first few years, but after 10-15 years trees are in pretty much the same stages.
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