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Post by kabic on Oct 26, 2017 15:01:12 GMT -6
That is where they hunt.
I have no evidence of this ...
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Post by Bwoods11 on Oct 26, 2017 15:09:36 GMT -6
I think SE MN has convinced the DNR that they have something special in terms of quality deer. We out here in Central or Western MN, could have it made too, if we adjusted the season, cut back on permits, and got rid of party hunting and long seasons. The deer I am seeing this year are some nice bucks, genetic freaks, but they are young, and more than likely will be dead in a few weeks. Let's say this is true...why/how is that tiny chunk of the state able to convince the DNR of that (or anything for that matter)? The only answer I can see to that is money and political influence. What am I missing? OTC can make the case of having something special in terms of quality deer...do people there just not want to? Could OTC/Todd/Douglas/Becker/Pope/Stearns...for example get together and make it work, maybe? The gun season seems to be the hold up. The MDHA had a meeting once in Morris, and when I brought up moving the gun season back, the MDHA guys looked at me like I was "The Predator". The 45+ aged rifle hunters do not want to give up the rut, they just do not. The young guys are more into archery and they want the season moved back, but it will be many years I think. Add the box stands into the mix, and you can hunt in comfort and sit on prime real estate, with your phone, heater, and food to boot!
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Post by Satchmo on Oct 26, 2017 19:34:16 GMT -6
I don't believe the people in SE MN have convinced the DNR of anything! The DNR may have dropped it to avoid more conflict, only to announce a "Special" extended season later to due to a high population and the less than stellar harvest that failed to drop the population sufficiently due to "Weather and corn". If these ass-wipes want it, it will happen! So why does the MN DNR avoid conflict in that tiny part of the state and nowhere else? I don't doubt that some special hunt(s) may be on the way for SE MN, but that already would have happened elsewhere in the state. No CWD here, but I've got the same harvest designation as where it does exist. I don't believe there is enough resistance anywhere else in the state for them to worry about it. SE MN is their crown jewel. It gets national attn for mature bucks, high deer population, and now CWD. It has a much more vocal group of hunters and I think the DNR will tread lighter there while still trying to accomplish their goals. They will also take credit for anything that hunters deem better hunting whether they had anything to do with it or not, and will spin anything deemed a negative. They are more a P.R. machine more than anything.
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Post by smsmith on Oct 26, 2017 19:49:46 GMT -6
Let's say this is true...why/how is that tiny chunk of the state able to convince the DNR of that (or anything for that matter)? The only answer I can see to that is money and political influence. What am I missing? OTC can make the case of having something special in terms of quality deer...do people there just not want to? Could OTC/Todd/Douglas/Becker/Pope/Stearns...for example get together and make it work, maybe? The gun season seems to be the hold up. The MDHA had a meeting once in Morris, and when I brought up moving the gun season back, the MDHA guys looked at me like I was "The Predator". The 45+ aged rifle hunters do not want to give up the rut, they just do not. The young guys are more into archery and they want the season moved back, but it will be many years I think. Add the box stands into the mix, and you can hunt in comfort and sit on prime real estate, with your phone, heater, and food to boot! Ya, I've completely given up on ever moving the firearm season back....never happen in my lifetime. What could pass in this area is some type of buck management/yearling buck protection/APRs/whatever
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Post by batman on Oct 27, 2017 4:54:59 GMT -6
I don't believe there is enough resistance anywhere else in the state for them to worry about it. SE MN is their crown jewel. It gets national attn for mature bucks, high deer population, and now CWD. It has a much more vocal group of hunters and I think the DNR will tread lighter there while still trying to accomplish their goals. They will also take credit for anything that hunters deem better hunting whether they had anything to do with it or not, and will spin anything deemed a negative. They are more a P.R. machine more than anything. Proof of that can be seen by the 6 people who showed up in St Paul for the late season input meeting. They are no more vocal than the rest of the state.
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Post by Freeborn on Oct 27, 2017 6:00:19 GMT -6
Let's say this is true...why/how is that tiny chunk of the state able to convince the DNR of that (or anything for that matter)? The only answer I can see to that is money and political influence. What am I missing? OTC can make the case of having something special in terms of quality deer...do people there just not want to? Could OTC/Todd/Douglas/Becker/Pope/Stearns...for example get together and make it work, maybe? The gun season seems to be the hold up. The MDHA had a meeting once in Morris, and when I brought up moving the gun season back, the MDHA guys looked at me like I was "The Predator".The 45+ aged rifle hunters do not want to give up the rut, they just do not. The young guys are more into archery and they want the season moved back, but it will be many years I think. Add the box stands into the mix, and you can hunt in comfort and sit on prime real estate, with your phone, heater, and food to boot! From what I have seen hunters have no desire to change the season and are disconnected from any information or conversation about improving deer quality. Basically hunters are ignorant of our current situation and how we got here. Unfortunately what Minnesota is lacking is an organization that will organize hunters, provide leadership, disseminate information and work towards improving hunting. What we do have is an organization that seems to blindly follow the DNR.
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Post by smsmith on Oct 27, 2017 6:09:26 GMT -6
Could OTC/Todd/Douglas/Becker/Pope/Stearns...for example get together and make it work, maybe? The gun season seems to be the hold up. The MDHA had a meeting once in Morris, and when I brought up moving the gun season back, the MDHA guys looked at me like I was "The Predator".The 45+ aged rifle hunters do not want to give up the rut, they just do not. The young guys are more into archery and they want the season moved back, but it will be many years I think. Add the box stands into the mix, and you can hunt in comfort and sit on prime real estate, with your phone, heater, and food to boot! From what I have seen hunters have no desire to change the season and are disconnected from any information or conversation about improving deer quality. Basically hunters are ignorant of our current situation and how we got here. Unfortunately what Minnesota is lacking is an organization that will organize hunters, provide leadership, disseminate information and work towards improving hunting. What we do have is an organization that seems to blindly follow the DNR. That is the best synopsis of MN deer hunting/deer hunters I've seen. Short, concise, and accurate.
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Post by batman on Oct 27, 2017 6:32:38 GMT -6
From what I have seen hunters have no desire to change the season and are disconnected from any information or conversation about improving deer quality. Basically hunters are ignorant of our current situation and how we got here. Unfortunately what Minnesota is lacking is an organization that will organize hunters, provide leadership, disseminate information and work towards improving hunting. What we do have is an organization that seems to blindly follow the DNR. That is the best synopsis of MN deer hunting/deer hunters I've seen. Short, concise, and accurate. If Big J makes it 900 words tens of thousands could read it in ODN. And he could clear it with the ODN editor before he expends any energy on it.
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Post by batman on Oct 27, 2017 17:44:43 GMT -6
Word on the street is DNR was approved enough sharpshooter funds that the January season will not be necessary.
Did anyone catch DNR's Michele Carsten's statement that if we find more CWD in zone 603 this fall it means we did not shoot enough deer there last fall.
BANG!
(my use of colored font is the first I can remember here. dramatic)
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Post by kl9 on Oct 27, 2017 17:53:10 GMT -6
Word on the street is DNR was approved enough sharpshooter funds that the January season will not be necessary. Did anyone catch DNR's Michele Carsten's statement that if we find more CWD in zone 603 this fall it means we did not shoot enough deer there last fall. BANG!
(my use of colored font is the first I can remember here. dramatic)CWD zone still has late season hunt. Michele is a complete moron. I've spoken with her before. If sharpshooters are brought in again I sure hope folks raise hell. Where did Michele state that?
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Post by batman on Oct 27, 2017 18:03:13 GMT -6
Page 31 ODN
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Post by kl9 on Oct 27, 2017 18:15:06 GMT -6
I don't get ODN. Might give her a call and ask her why she thinks she can do better than Illinois
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Post by kl9 on Nov 2, 2017 10:11:38 GMT -6
Word on the street is DNR was approved enough sharpshooter funds that the January season will not be necessary. Did anyone catch DNR's Michele Carsten's statement that if we find more CWD in zone 603 this fall it means we did not shoot enough deer there last fall. BANG!
(my use of colored font is the first I can remember here. dramatic)Has there been any publicized discussion regarding the use of sharpshooters again this year? Other than what Michelle said
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Post by batman on Nov 2, 2017 10:47:23 GMT -6
Cwd funds are flowing like water but none of it is very public.
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Post by kl9 on Nov 2, 2017 10:57:01 GMT -6
Cwd funds are flowing like water but none of it is very public. But no discussion regarding use such as shooters, testing, collar studies?
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