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Post by wildfire123 on Jan 17, 2018 9:41:22 GMT -6
Cat, what is the difference in geographic between Kansas and Minnesota?
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Post by Catscratch on Jan 17, 2018 9:53:22 GMT -6
Cat, what is the difference in geographic between Kansas and Minnesota? Demographics - as in human populations? |
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Post by Catscratch on Jan 17, 2018 10:25:39 GMT -6
KS has about 3 million people and it looks like MN has about 5.5 million. I don't know the per sq mile populations but KS is mostly rural with the exceptions of counties that have large cities like Wichita, KC, and Topeka. Otherwise we have a lot of ag and cattle with fairly low populations. Lots of open ground for wildlife to make a living. Much of KS see's very little harvest pressure (I say harvest because leasing is becoming very rampant and people don't spend a fortune to shoot a doe in the land of monsters). The locals who used to hunt for meat and fun have been displaced by people who are there for only a trophy. From what I gather MN just has a ton of people who shoot anything.
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 17, 2018 18:00:44 GMT -6
Bad winters with deep snow hurt our deer in open country. The Deer move to private windbreaks and often farmers stored feeds. My two cents.
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Post by sd51555 on Jan 17, 2018 18:58:09 GMT -6
Taking all the woody cover off large swaths of frozen grassland in Minnesota. How can that not be a win for all wildlife, considering the weather we’ve had as of late?
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 17, 2018 20:04:44 GMT -6
Taking all the woody cover off large swaths of frozen grassland in Minnesota. How can that not be a win for all wildlife, considering the weather we’ve had as of late? I guess it is good for pollinators. Whoopee! |
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Post by sd51555 on Jan 17, 2018 21:12:44 GMT -6
Taking all the woody cover off large swaths of frozen grassland in Minnesota. How can that not be a win for all wildlife, considering the weather we’ve had as of late? I guess it is good for pollinators. Whoopee! I haven't seen any of that in MN either. Iowa actually does it, and you can see it all up and down I-35 from Des Moines to the MN border. |
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Post by biglakebass on Jan 17, 2018 21:20:37 GMT -6
When and how is this major land aqcuistion ever going to happen..... never. Next topic.  |
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Post by sd51555 on Jan 17, 2018 21:42:57 GMT -6
When and how is this major land aqcuistion ever going to happen..... never. Next topic. It's not one purchase, and it has been going on the entire time. The state is using bonding funds, federal matching funds, lottery funds, license funds, Pittman Robertson funds, RIM, CREP, WRA, sales tax funds, timber funds, etc. Over $100 million dollars of land per year disappears from the real estate market. To blow the $3.6 billion they're talking about in 25 years, it's going to take an annual gobble of $144,000,000. With the single stroke of a pen, $350,000,000 flew out the window and grabbed 60,000 acres. You've got your head in the sand if you think this won't create an enormous wedge between the haves and have nots. And it will blow up in our face. They're left hunting blocks of lodged canary grass and we've got apple trees, thick cover, heated blinds, food plots, etc. www.twincities.com/2017/01/17/mark-dayton-signs-deal-providing-350-million-to-protect-minnesota-waters/ |
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Post by Foggy on Jan 17, 2018 22:01:05 GMT -6
When and how is this major land aqcuistion ever going to happen..... never. Next topic. It's not one purchase, and it has been going on the entire time. The state is using bonding funds, federal matching funds, lottery funds, license funds, Pittman Robertson funds, RIM, CREP, WRA, sales tax funds, timber funds, etc. Over $100 million dollars of land per year disappears from the real estate market. To blow the $3.6 billion they're talking about in 25 years, it's going to take an annual gobble of $144,000,000. With the single stroke of a pen, $350,000,000 flew out the window and grabbed 60,000 acres. You've got your head in the sand if you think this won't create an enormous wedge between the haves and have nots. And it will blow up in our face. They're left hunting blocks of lodged canary grass and we've got apple trees, thick cover, heated blinds, food plots, etc. www.twincities.com/2017/01/17/mark-dayton-signs-deal-providing-350-million-to-protect-minnesota-waters/FWIW.....her in OZ they used Pitman/Robertson funding to buy a HUGE rifle range. It's called the Ben Avery rifle range....and it's among the best in this country. One with the mounted cowboy shooting, police shooting, trap, skeet, sporting clays, rifle, 1000 yards rifle, pistol, self defense.....and about any other situation you can imagine. Just super! Yep.....you can camp there (if you are a shooter) and there is so much to do in this area. Lots of folks camp and ride their golf carts around the complex. Pretty cool. You will never find another like this....IMO. Really a Wonderfull range. Just north of Phoenix.....and a super range to see. Why do we NOT have something like this in MN is beyond me. (we get Robinson Pitman funding too?). Sad. |
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Post by Reagan on Jan 17, 2018 22:04:57 GMT -6
Easy. Liberal politicians wouldn’t want to spend money doing anything to promote mean and scary firearms.
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 18, 2018 6:27:27 GMT -6
When and how is this major land aqcuistion ever going to happen..... never. Next topic. It's not one purchase, and it has been going on the entire time. The state is using bonding funds, federal matching funds, lottery funds, license funds, Pittman Robertson funds, RIM, CREP, WRA, sales tax funds, timber funds, etc. Over $100 million dollars of land per year disappears from the real estate market. To blow the $3.6 billion they're talking about in 25 years, it's going to take an annual gobble of $144,000,000. With the single stroke of a pen, $350,000,000 flew out the window and grabbed 60,000 acres. You've got your head in the sand if you think this won't create an enormous wedge between the haves and have nots. And it will blow up in our face. They're left hunting blocks of lodged canary grass and we've got apple trees, thick cover, heated blinds, food plots, etc. www.twincities.com/2017/01/17/mark-dayton-signs-deal-providing-350-million-to-protect-minnesota-waters/Chris- you did not read your link. This is money to spend on private land that stays in private hands from the way I read it. For a different bend on the discussion, should we be spending this amount of money on private land that is not open to the public? I sure wouldn’t want my land open to the public, but just a point to consider. |
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Post by Catscratch on Jan 18, 2018 6:32:41 GMT -6
Bad winters with deep snow hurt our deer in open country. The Deer move to private windbreaks and often farmers stored feeds. My two cents. KS doesn't really have a winter. Ya we get a few weeks of cold here and there but it's always brief. I keep forgetting that you guys have winter conditions that actually kills deer. That would certainly be a difference make in what types of habitat were beneficial. |
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Post by Catscratch on Jan 18, 2018 6:38:48 GMT -6
It's not one purchase, and it has been going on the entire time. The state is using bonding funds, federal matching funds, lottery funds, license funds, Pittman Robertson funds, RIM, CREP, WRA, sales tax funds, timber funds, etc. Over $100 million dollars of land per year disappears from the real estate market. To blow the $3.6 billion they're talking about in 25 years, it's going to take an annual gobble of $144,000,000. With the single stroke of a pen, $350,000,000 flew out the window and grabbed 60,000 acres. You've got your head in the sand if you think this won't create an enormous wedge between the haves and have nots. And it will blow up in our face. They're left hunting blocks of lodged canary grass and we've got apple trees, thick cover, heated blinds, food plots, etc. www.twincities.com/2017/01/17/mark-dayton-signs-deal-providing-350-million-to-protect-minnesota-waters/Chris- you did not read your link. This is money to spend on private land that stays in private hands from the way I read it. For a different bend on the discussion, should we be spending this amount of money on private land that is not open to the public? I sure wouldn’t want my land open to the public, but just a point to consider. My gut reaction is no, the government shouldn't spend money on private land that isn't open to the public. But I do realize there are habitats and wildlife that require certain things that public land might not be able to provide either due to location or amount of acres. Should tax payer money be spent to preserve a species or habitat on private land? There are programs that I'm in favor of to help wildlife but they are by application, not forced. In KS the state will stock a watershed pond after it's built if you ask them to, but you must open it up to the public to fish because that stocking was done with public tax dollars, therefor they are public fish even if it's private land. |
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Post by sd51555 on Jan 18, 2018 8:32:59 GMT -6
It's not one purchase, and it has been going on the entire time. The state is using bonding funds, federal matching funds, lottery funds, license funds, Pittman Robertson funds, RIM, CREP, WRA, sales tax funds, timber funds, etc. Over $100 million dollars of land per year disappears from the real estate market. To blow the $3.6 billion they're talking about in 25 years, it's going to take an annual gobble of $144,000,000. With the single stroke of a pen, $350,000,000 flew out the window and grabbed 60,000 acres. You've got your head in the sand if you think this won't create an enormous wedge between the haves and have nots. And it will blow up in our face. They're left hunting blocks of lodged canary grass and we've got apple trees, thick cover, heated blinds, food plots, etc. www.twincities.com/2017/01/17/mark-dayton-signs-deal-providing-350-million-to-protect-minnesota-waters/Chris- you did not read your link. This is money to spend on private land that stays in private hands from the way I read it. For a different bend on the discussion, should we be spending this amount of money on private land that is not open to the public? I sure wouldn’t want my land open to the public, but just a point to consider. I'm aware. What good does it do for hunter opportunity if they write big checks to people who get to keep their land and continue to box out public land hunters? |
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