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Post by Reagan on May 1, 2018 17:47:23 GMT -6
So who was right? The old woman or the dude who fears women?
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Post by sd51555 on May 1, 2018 18:39:21 GMT -6
So who was right? The old woman or the dude who fears women? I just asked the question, then she came at me with the haymakers. We never resolved anything, that's why I decided to ask the men. Near as I can tell, there are three kinds: Ladino - big New zealand - medium Dutch - lawn clover That's how I understand it. Not saying i'm right.
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Post by nhmountains on May 1, 2018 18:54:16 GMT -6
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Post by Reagan on May 1, 2018 19:03:37 GMT -6
I’d agree with the ladino and Dutch assessment. Don’t know about the other.
But everything I know I learned on forums. So my knowledge could be complete crap.
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Post by sd51555 on May 1, 2018 19:34:20 GMT -6
Man, the way the dutch reads in there, it seems perfect for under apple trees. I'd love to try that in an apple/clover/pumpkin/cat-wheat mix.
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Post by sd51555 on May 1, 2018 19:35:41 GMT -6
Wait, the pumpkin might not work in there.
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Post by wiscwhip on May 1, 2018 20:43:13 GMT -6
Sure they are the same thing, they are both white clovers! But it is an inexact science, bordering on voodoo even! This is how I usually explain the differences as I see them from my limited knowledge on the subject: There are 3 "sizes" of white clover, short, intermediate, and large or "ladino". Dutch White is considered by some to be a short type, others feel it is an intermediate white clover, while Ladino is of the large type. I found some examples below: There are three basic types of white clover: large (e.g., Ladino clover, ‘Patriot,’ ‘Regal’), intermediate (e.g.,‘Durana,’ ‘Osceola’), and low growing(e.g., Dutch clover). Large or ladino types are higher yielding than other types, but they do not reseed as well as the other types and are generally more short-lived. Three types: Cultivars of white clover are grouped into three types by size. The lowest growing type (Wild White) best survives heavy traffic and grazing. Intermediate sizes (Dutch White, New Zealand White and Louisiana S-1) flower earlier and more profusely than the larger types, are more heat-tolerant and include most of the economically important varieties. The large (Ladino) types produce the most N per acre of any white types, and are valued for forage quality, especially on poorly drained soil. They are generally less durable, but may be two to four times taller than intermediate types.
A couple more takes I have on this debate. "You will know it when you see it." By that I mean, you will know a ladino type just by the height and size of the leaves, pretty much as soon as you see it. Same goes for the wild whites, no mistaking the low growth habit, high stolon densities, and small-ish flowers. Everything else is an intermediate...just kidding, but some of the discrepancies in the size groupings I feel stems from the "naturalized" Dutch White, or maybe more aptly called "bastardized" Dutch White. Dutch White has been grown so regularly for so long that is has crossbred with wild whites and mini white clovers and has taken on some of the traits of the wild types, thus the "confusion" as to whether it is classed as a Short or Intermediate type. SD, there are pros and cons to using Dutch White in an orchard setting. For a deer orchard, I feel it is about the perfect ground cover, for a commercial orchard, I have heard mix feelings. One thing I hear is concerns with spraying chemicals and their affect on beneficial orchard insects, not sure how it all works, but I do hear people speak of it as something to be aware of. A good read if your interested: fyi.uwex.edu/forage/white-clover-for-wisconsin-pastures/
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Post by Sandbur on May 2, 2018 4:11:01 GMT -6
So who was right? The old woman or the dude who fears women? I just asked the question, then she came at me with the haymakers. We never resolved anything, that's why I decided to ask the men. Near as I can tell, there are three kinds: Ladino - big New zealand - medium Dutch - lawn clover That's how I understand it. Not saying i'm right. I thought you were going to tell us there are three kinds of women, short, medium, and large. Read whips post and got me thinking.... We are just trying to help you out, SD. Is this cougar rich?
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Post by sd51555 on May 2, 2018 9:36:34 GMT -6
I just asked the question, then she came at me with the haymakers. We never resolved anything, that's why I decided to ask the men. Near as I can tell, there are three kinds: Ladino - big New zealand - medium Dutch - lawn clover That's how I understand it. Not saying i'm right. I thought you were going to tell us there are three kinds of women, short, medium, and large. Read whips post and got me thinking.... We are just trying to help you out, SD. Is this cougar rich? I’ve had all sizes. There was a girl I dated that was a D2 power forward. That was an adventure. I often think that’s as close as I’ll ever get to surviving a mountain lion attack. Nowadays, I keep the bench pretty thin. Lot of land mines for a guy like me out there. There are things like drug resistant super STDs, baby crazy, crazy crazy, chameleons, gold diggers, wall hitters, corn syrup, fibromyalgia, anxiety, #MeToo, carousel girls, etc.
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Post by Sandbur on May 2, 2018 11:31:41 GMT -6
I thought you were going to tell us there are three kinds of women, short, medium, and large. Read whips post and got me thinking.... We are just trying to help you out, SD. Is this cougar rich? I’ve had all sizes. There was a girl I dated that was a D2 power forward. That was an adventure. I often think that’s as close as I’ll ever get to surviving a mountain lion attack. Nowadays, I keep the bench pretty thin. Lot of land mines for a guy like me out there. There are things like drug resistant super STDs, baby crazy, crazy crazy, chameleons, gold diggers, wall hitters, corn syrup, fibromyalgia, anxiety, #MeToo, carousel girls, etc. I’m glad I got a good wife and am past that time in life.
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