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GRIN
Dec 13, 2018 6:19:14 GMT -6
Post by Freeborn on Dec 13, 2018 6:19:14 GMT -6
When you graft that early do you then just keep them cool and the roots moist until planting or do you have to pot them right away? Last year my rootstock didn't arrive until May, so that's when I grafted and I kept them in the garage for a week then planted them in pots. This year I bet my SLN rootstock will get here sooner, so it's possible that I'll be grafting while my ground is still frozen so potting the trees could be an issue if my dirt supply is frozen solid. Ben, I have a dark unheated room I keep them in. I get a plastic tub full of moist sawdust and keep them in there for several weeks until the grafts have healed. I put a plastic bag over the top to keep moisture in there as well. I think the key is you don’t want them to wake up too soon before the graft union heals or the graft will eventually fail. It might lead out but, eventually it’ll dry out and fail. After a a month or so when the local trees are starting to leaf out I pot them and bring them outside in the shade on the north side of the house and let them slowly wake up. It’s better to do this later than early. This is is a good grafting video by a guy who grafts for Fedco. Thanks NH for sharing. Boy that guy puts us novices to shame, 200+ a day is impressive. Interesting that he likes to get his rootstock just out of dormancy before he grafts. I was also surprised he keeps the new grafts so warm for the first couple weeks, I guess to wake them up. He also uses only one bud and I have usually kept 2. I liked the large trough he uses to keep his grafts in. I might look for a smaller version.
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Post by Sandbur on Dec 13, 2018 7:07:05 GMT -6
I forgot to add Piervomaiskoie to my order, I love how dark it is Comments:: Fruit: Size above medium, 70-85 mm; skin 100% dark red, blushed; shape round-conic, very ribbed; flesh soft, whitish cream colored; flavor subacid; eating quality poor to fair; harvest season mid-September, 3 weeks before Delicious; long storage life. Tree: open; productive; winter hardy. R.D. Way, 1992. I am impressed that you could even spell that name. I am curious why you selected this apple with poor to fair eating quality. In twenty to forty year, will wild crabs and apples in our area look differently from the diverse genetics we have?
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Post by Sandbur on Dec 13, 2018 7:25:23 GMT -6
Lee, do you have any of the Nevis/ioensis crab crosses?
I think I had two take as tacked on branches of a seedling and one died over the next two winters.
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GRIN
Dec 13, 2018 7:48:13 GMT -6
Post by leexrayshady on Dec 13, 2018 7:48:13 GMT -6
I forgot to add Piervomaiskoie to my order, I love how dark it is Comments:: Fruit: Size above medium, 70-85 mm; skin 100% dark red, blushed; shape round-conic, very ribbed; flesh soft, whitish cream colored; flavor subacid; eating quality poor to fair; harvest season mid-September, 3 weeks before Delicious; long storage life. Tree: open; productive; winter hardy. R.D. Way, 1992. I am impressed that you could even spell that name. I am curious why you selected this apple with poor to fair eating quality. In twenty to forty year, will wild crabs and apples in our area look differently from the diverse genetics we have? That was a pure copy and paste, I might just call it the pervert apple only reason I would add it would be for the color and the September ripening time. and who knows maybe having some poor eating ones around they may last longer as the animals may gravitate twords a different tree and these would remain untouched hopefully to last longer into winter? My guess is that most crabs will be larger in size due to the larger genetics we are bringing in and hopefully better tasting, or I could be wrong and all we do is increase disease susceptibility
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Post by leexrayshady on Dec 13, 2018 7:49:00 GMT -6
Lee, do you have any of the Nevis/ioensis crab crosses? I think I had two take as tacked on branches of a seedling and one died over the next two winters. no all my grafts I did a few years back never made it
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Post by Sandbur on Dec 13, 2018 9:22:43 GMT -6
Lee, do you have any of the Nevis/ioensis crab crosses? I think I had two take as tacked on branches of a seedling and one died over the next two winters. no all my grafts I did a few years back never made it I need to check one large flowering crab and could have another variety of Nevis on it. I tacked ten plus apples on it and two or three survived.
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Post by Sandbur on Dec 13, 2018 9:25:24 GMT -6
I am impressed that you could even spell that name. I am curious why you selected this apple with poor to fair eating quality. In twenty to forty year, will wild crabs and apples in our area look differently from the diverse genetics we have? That was a pure copy and paste, I might just call it the pervert apple only reason I would add it would be for the color and the September ripening time. and who knows maybe having some poor eating ones around they may last longer as the animals may gravitate twords a different tree and these would remain untouched hopefully to last longer into winter? My guess is that most crabs will be larger in size due to the larger genetics we are bringing in and hopefully better tasting, or I could be wrong and all we do is increase disease susceptibility From the three or four batches of seedlings that I have grown, disease susceptibility , rate of growth, and apple size are all over the board. Probably as variable as Antler characteristics in wild deer.
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Post by Sandbur on Dec 13, 2018 18:50:06 GMT -6
I will continue my CAR research. Small Chunk- I might need a small amount of rootstock.
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Post by smallchunk on Dec 15, 2018 0:36:41 GMT -6
Whoops, i ordered another 25. Some to play with for cider, some for eating and some for deer. I don't remember why on some of them! Ha
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Post by leexrayshady on Jan 31, 2019 7:30:04 GMT -6
Got my shipment email from UPS yesterday that my scions from GRIN are on there way
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GRIN
Jan 31, 2019 7:33:00 GMT -6
Post by buckvelvet on Jan 31, 2019 7:33:00 GMT -6
When did you order Lee?
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Post by buckvelvet on Jan 31, 2019 7:34:25 GMT -6
I will continue my CAR research. I don't know if these GRIN filled orders are going to be spotty or full but I have Geneva I can send if you end up needing them Art.
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Post by leexrayshady on Jan 31, 2019 11:09:08 GMT -6
around December 11th I believe, Im actually glad for the government shutdown in this case as it delayed them in sending out scion, the less time it spends in my fridge the better.
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GRIN
Jan 31, 2019 12:45:02 GMT -6
Post by benmnwi on Jan 31, 2019 12:45:02 GMT -6
won't this cold weather kill the scions while they are in transit?
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 31, 2019 13:15:20 GMT -6
won't this cold weather kill the scions while they are in transit? I have wondered about transport doing that to scion. GRIN have arrived in good shape but some shipped from internet friends take up to 2 weeks to arrive. Two weeks in a warm post office, then below zero in a mail box. Hmmm We just do our best and keep at it.
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