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Post by Catscratch on Dec 1, 2018 13:03:22 GMT -6
SD- I love the work and attention to detail to find species the you want. Do you have eastern red cedar that far north? They are notorious for releasing water back into the atmosphere. If I remember right they've been claimed to absorb up to 30 gallons a day.
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Post by nhmountains on Dec 1, 2018 13:19:40 GMT -6
Love what you did, looks great. I plan on doing the same thing over 20 acres but I don’t have near the diversity you have. What types of trees do you have Chummer? |
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Post by sd51555 on Dec 1, 2018 17:31:20 GMT -6
SD- I love the work and attention to detail to find species the you want. Do you have eastern red cedar that far north? They are notorious for releasing water back into the atmosphere. If I remember right they've been claimed to absorb up to 30 gallons a day. They grow well up by me. Not so much on my place. I have 5 that I've found. But nearby, there are entire solid stands. They seem like they can grow in actual water. I found a stand down by a secluded lake I wanted to try fishing. You could fall through up past your knee while still being in the cedar stand. I'll have to keep an eye on that water and see how it responds this year. It's very dry by me now, maybe if I can get through spring without too much rain or snow to deal with, that area will bounce forward without any trouble. |
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Post by Sandbur on Dec 1, 2018 18:29:49 GMT -6
SD- I love the work and attention to detail to find species the you want. Do you have eastern red cedar that far north? They are notorious for releasing water back into the atmosphere. If I remember right they've been claimed to absorb up to 30 gallons a day. They grow well up by me. Not so much on my place. I have 5 that I've found. But nearby, there are entire solid stands. They seem like they can grow in actual water. I found a stand down by a secluded lake I wanted to try fishing. You could fall through up past your knee while still being in the cedar stand. I'll have to keep an eye on that water and see how it responds this year. It's very dry by me now, maybe if I can get through spring without too much rain or snow to deal with, that area will bounce forward without any trouble. Red cedar or do you mean white cedar? |
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Post by Catscratch on Dec 1, 2018 18:33:42 GMT -6
Eastern Red Cedar is the common name, it's actually a juniper... Don't think it's in the actual cedar family at all.
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Post by sd51555 on Dec 1, 2018 19:56:59 GMT -6
They grow well up by me. Not so much on my place. I have 5 that I've found. But nearby, there are entire solid stands. They seem like they can grow in actual water. I found a stand down by a secluded lake I wanted to try fishing. You could fall through up past your knee while still being in the cedar stand. I'll have to keep an eye on that water and see how it responds this year. It's very dry by me now, maybe if I can get through spring without too much rain or snow to deal with, that area will bounce forward without any trouble. Red cedar or do you mean white cedar? Red. I don't know that there are any white cedar anywhere near me. Have you seen them up there? Last I knew they were deer crack and couldn't regen on their own. |
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Post by Sandbur on Dec 1, 2018 21:35:56 GMT -6
The cedar swamps up north are white cedar.
In the 70’s I worked on a survey crew in mostly Cass County, but also Itasca and Hubbard. The only red cedar I found was on the north shore of Woman Lake. One tree was all I found.
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Post by sd51555 on Dec 1, 2018 23:18:41 GMT -6
The cedar swamps up north are white cedar. In the 70’s I worked on a survey crew in mostly Cass County, but also Itasca and Hubbard. The only red cedar I found was on the north shore of Woman Lake. One tree was all I found. No kidding! Well that would be fantastic. I'll have to grab some pics of mine next time I'm up. |
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Post by nhmountains on Dec 2, 2018 3:34:10 GMT -6
We don’t have any red cedar but, we do have some mature white cedar here and there on the property. I haven’t found any young white cedar. The deer eat them like candy. I’d like to take cuttings of them and propagate them at home for a year or two and plant in the tag alder swamp www.hunker.com/12417561/how-to-propagate-cedar-treesThis guy makes it look easy |
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Post by Sandbur on Dec 2, 2018 5:20:11 GMT -6
I know of a young guy who used to pull white cedar out of road ditches in the 1960’s and plant them with their feet in or very near the water. Some five or six footers would even make it. Early spring is the key.
The only place they would grow and not be browsed was near roads or under power lines where the snowbank covered them.
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Post by Sandbur on Dec 2, 2018 5:34:06 GMT -6
The cedar swamps up north are white cedar. In the 70’s I worked on a survey crew in mostly Cass County, but also Itasca and Hubbard. The only red cedar I found was on the north shore of Woman Lake. One tree was all I found. No kidding! Well that would be fantastic. I'll have to grab some pics of mine next time I'm up. I had to ask the older guys on the crew what that tree was since I had not seen it before. Later, I did see some red cedar that people had planted. I have mentioned it before, but many of the old surveys were done with notes on ties to individual trees in three directions. No GPS back then and a note from the 1800’s might indicate a tie to a 10 inch white pine. We occasionally would find a large white pine with a blaze on it and were allowed on government lands to carve it out. There would be an X and notation in the side of the tree. We would measure from the middle of the X. Find two of these trees and we could re establish the section corner. They were called bearing trees. Newer bearing trees have the yellow signs on them. You might have seen these in the Chippewa National Forest. Sorry to steal the thread, but the older guys on the survey crew did know their trees and shrubs. I learned a lot from them over two or three summers. Bearing trees were never to be harvested. |
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Post by nhmountains on Dec 2, 2018 5:40:10 GMT -6
Art,
The survey on the 14 acres we just bought still has bearing trees marked on it. I’m surprised on a newer survey they would’ve done that verses driving pins. There’s pins on each corner though.
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Post by nhmountains on Dec 2, 2018 5:41:59 GMT -6
SD,
I bet there’s a lot more desirable trees under the snow just waiting for sunlight in the spring.
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Post by Sandbur on Dec 2, 2018 6:59:24 GMT -6
Art, The survey on the 14 acres we just bought still has bearing trees marked on it. I’m surprised on a newer survey they would’ve done that verses driving pins. There’s pins on each corner though. When was the original survey done in your neck of the woods? Where I live here in farm country, oak stakes were used for the corners of sections. They are long gone and so are bearing trees. |
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Post by sd51555 on Dec 2, 2018 7:36:41 GMT -6
No kidding! Well that would be fantastic. I'll have to grab some pics of mine next time I'm up. I had to ask the older guys on the crew what that tree was since I had not seen it before. Later, I did see some red cedar that people had planted. I have mentioned it before, but many of the old surveys were done with notes on ties to individual trees in three directions. No GPS back then and a note from the 1800’s might indicate a tie to a 10 inch white pine. We occasionally would find a large white pine with a blaze on it and were allowed on government lands to carve it out. There would be an X and notation in the side of the tree. We would measure from the middle of the X. Find two of these trees and we could re establish the section corner. They were called bearing trees. Newer bearing trees have the yellow signs on them. You might have seen these in the Chippewa National Forest. Sorry to steal the thread, but the older guys on the survey crew did know their trees and shrubs. I learned a lot from them over two or three summers. Bearing trees were never to be harvested. Not a jackin' at all. I was just dead sure that those cedars were red. I'd been so programmed to think whites no longer existed because of deer. Then you mentioned they had to be whites, and I got to thinking about it. Most of SD has red cedar, and it's quite invasive here. What I've got up north, and what they fight in pastures here is definitely two different things. Between this and what we discussed about tamarack, I'm excited to get up an exclusion fence and get some of these things planted. Those ash trees in the swamps would make great posts to hold up a fence too. I see those bearing trees on all my back corners up north. The boundaries with the federal land are well marked with line markers, pins, corner signs, and bearing trees. The markings one the bearing tree signs are from the 70's if I read them correctly. I'm surprised they're still there, cause some of them are in birch and poplar trees. |
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