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Post by kl9 on Jan 4, 2019 15:52:21 GMT -6
I saw today 2 more hunts now in february??? Are those new added hunts above what was planned?? Yes but different area
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CWD
Jan 4, 2019 16:13:33 GMT -6
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Post by batman on Jan 4, 2019 16:13:33 GMT -6
Season now spans 7 months in most of zone 3. Good news is the winter hunts are free!
Bad news is deer are now huge liability to the department. They cost more to manage than they bring in license fees.
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Jan 4, 2019 18:09:05 GMT -6
Post by sd51555 on Jan 4, 2019 18:09:05 GMT -6
Season now spans 7 months in most of zone 3. Good news is the winter hunts are free! Bad news is deer are now huge liability to the department. They cost more to manage than they bring in license fees. When this shit gets to my area, the non-resident tags better be free.
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Post by daydreamer on Jan 4, 2019 19:59:21 GMT -6
1 - stop lying to the public. 2 - admit when we can not access the hot spots our efforts are pissing in the wind 3 - admit the path MN is on has been tried in 20 some states and fails every time 4 - admit there is no viable long term strategy 5 - acknowledge that genetic resistance or vaccines may be an end tool that should be researched 6 - fund the private industry that is searching for a solution - Deer Farmers. I don't think the government wants to solve CWD. I think it is a great tool for reducing deer numbers all across the country. The North American Wildlife programs were started when animals had been hunted to the brink of extinction. Bison, elk, whitetail, turkey, passenger pigeon etc. Everybody said if the hunters want to fund the comeback rip it up - the rest of us don't really give a shit. Fast forward 100 + years and those same animals are so abundant they are a pain in the ass to everybody but a tiny fraction of the population. Hunters. More and more private groups like white buffalo are secretly entering agreements with municipalities to kill hundreds of deer from urban areas. Sharpshooters are hired to correct problems. City police departments are hunting deer. Wolves are protected. Grizzly protected. Deer are blamed for lyme disease, CJD, moose declines, forest succession. Hunter efforts can be replaced with other tools. Cornicelli has changed the economic impact of deer in MN from $1.3 billion to $500 million since 2014. Hunter dollars are minimal. Cornicelli wants the economic impact taken out of the discussion. I think hunting as we know it is almost dead. Whose gonna stop it? I need a drink after reading this
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Post by kl9 on Jan 4, 2019 20:22:13 GMT -6
1 - stop lying to the public. 2 - admit when we can not access the hot spots our efforts are pissing in the wind 3 - admit the path MN is on has been tried in 20 some states and fails every time 4 - admit there is no viable long term strategy 5 - acknowledge that genetic resistance or vaccines may be an end tool that should be researched 6 - fund the private industry that is searching for a solution - Deer Farmers. I don't think the government wants to solve CWD. I think it is a great tool for reducing deer numbers all across the country. The North American Wildlife programs were started when animals had been hunted to the brink of extinction. Bison, elk, whitetail, turkey, passenger pigeon etc. Everybody said if the hunters want to fund the comeback rip it up - the rest of us don't really give a shit. Fast forward 100 + years and those same animals are so abundant they are a pain in the ass to everybody but a tiny fraction of the population. Hunters. More and more private groups like white buffalo are secretly entering agreements with municipalities to kill hundreds of deer from urban areas. Sharpshooters are hired to correct problems. City police departments are hunting deer. Wolves are protected. Grizzly protected. Deer are blamed for lyme disease, CJD, moose declines, forest succession. Hunter efforts can be replaced with other tools. Cornicelli has changed the economic impact of deer in MN from $1.3 billion to $500 million since 2014. Hunter dollars are minimal. Cornicelli wants the economic impact taken out of the discussion. I think hunting as we know it is almost dead. Whose gonna stop it? I need a drink after reading this Drinks on me
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Post by badbrad on Jan 4, 2019 20:52:37 GMT -6
I need a drink after reading this Drinks on me I like this guy^^^^^^^^^^
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Jan 4, 2019 21:36:39 GMT -6
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Post by benmnwi on Jan 4, 2019 21:36:39 GMT -6
Step 1. Work with the cdc to determine how to research potential cures and what research is most likely to find the cure.
Step 2. Increase all deer licenses $10 to fund free cwd testing statewide and any additional revenue goes to cwd cure research.
Step 3. shut down all deer farms in the state and compensate them per deer at the cost of a nonresident deer license.
Step 4. If deer are needed for research, offer any deer farms an additional $100 per deer for an incentive to assist with disease research.
Step 5. Simply monitor cwd test results for wild deer until research shows a potential solution. No widespread eradication until research shows that can cure the disease.
Step 6. Hope nature finds a solution to the disease while the research catches up.
Step 7. Have the dnr research releasing alternate big game animals that can not get cwd in case deer are no longer viable. See pigs, sheep, bison, goats, etc..
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Jan 4, 2019 22:09:03 GMT -6
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Post by Catscratch on Jan 4, 2019 22:09:03 GMT -6
I don't think the government wants to solve CWD. I think it is a great tool for reducing deer numbers all across the country. They won't want CWD to completely wipe out the deer, otherwise they couldn't keep paying themselves to research CWD and send out sharpshooters.
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 5, 2019 5:28:15 GMT -6
No clue. Glad its not my job. I know one thing. I sure as hell wouldnt ear any deer if we were in a cwd area without testing them. Every disease has a period when it is present and can not yet be detected by current tests. This worries me.
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 5, 2019 5:44:38 GMT -6
OK. Let’s each say that you are the new deer czar in Minnesota. What should be done about CWD if you got to make the decisions? No BS, just what should be done. 1. Keep testing in different areas to inform hunters as the disease spreads. 2.end mandatory APR’s in infected areas. 3.offer higher numbers of tags to landowners with more than 80 acres of land in infected areas. 4. Participating in increased harvest or APR’s is entirely up to the landowner. 5. Closely monitor spending on a hopeless situation in the long term. 6. Work with deer farms to determine if there is a complete resistance or only delayed illness from the different genetic lines. 7. Have two plans, one for the first case 20 miles from existing infected areas and one for two hundred miles from infected areas. The two hundred mile area might initially need more funding to determine the extent of the infection, versus the inevitable 20 mile spread. Really, there is not much to do with a 20 mile spread. 8. End all consideration and spending on expanding the range of cervid species (specifically elk) until we learn how to manage what we got! This plan is plain ridiculous to stock elk.
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Post by batman on Jan 5, 2019 7:19:51 GMT -6
6. Work with deer farms to determine if there is a complete resistance or only delayed illness from the different genetic lines. Of interest is there is no established threshold for an infective dose. When you hear claims their are no 100% resistant deer - remember there are no 100% resistant sheep. But scrapie is no longer a concern. Culling the most susceptible sheep from breeding programs was enough to virtually eliminate scrapie.
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Jan 5, 2019 7:22:25 GMT -6
Post by batman on Jan 5, 2019 7:22:25 GMT -6
Step 3. shut down all deer farms in the state and compensate them per deer at the cost of a nonresident deer license. Maybe the govt will come to your door one day and offer used Red Ryder pricing for all of your guns. And buy your house for $4,500.
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 5, 2019 9:13:04 GMT -6
6. Work with deer farms to determine if there is a complete resistance or only delayed illness from the different genetic lines. Of interest is there is no established threshold for an infective dose. When you hear claims their are no 100% resistant deer - remember there are no 100% resistant sheep. But scrapie is no longer a concern. Culling the most susceptible sheep from breeding programs was enough to virtually eliminate scrapie. We just got to learn more about this disease, rather than keep spending dollars on a hopeless situation.
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 5, 2019 9:17:40 GMT -6
6. Work with deer farms to determine if there is a complete resistance or only delayed illness from the different genetic lines. Of interest is there is no established threshold for an infective dose. When you hear claims their are no 100% resistant deer - remember there are no 100% resistant sheep. But scrapie is no longer a concern. Culling the most susceptible sheep from breeding programs was enough to virtually eliminate scrapie. I am struggling with a disease situation in cattle where the infective dose is a concern. Truth is, health of the animal, genetics, and other disease or stress change the infective dose for each specific animal. I like what you are doing by monitoring and culling your deer based on genetics.
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Jan 5, 2019 10:05:02 GMT -6
Post by batman on Jan 5, 2019 10:05:02 GMT -6
Of interest is there is no established threshold for an infective dose. When you hear claims their are no 100% resistant deer - remember there are no 100% resistant sheep. But scrapie is no longer a concern. Culling the most susc I like what you are doing by monitoring and culling your deer based on genetics. A great number of deer breeders refuse to embrace the genetics concept - because they have spent years building a 'brand' inadvertently around the most susceptible genetics. My goal is not massive racks. My goal is an enjoyable experience for friends and family, so its easy for me to drift towards a possible genetic solution. Another angle many feel strongly about is the use of tetra and doxycycline in feed. For and extra $40 per ton (about a years ration for an adult deer) they believe it may severely retard infection. Not that expensive an option for wild CWD hotspots. May increase the infectious threshold as you suggest.
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