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Post by smsmith on Sept 20, 2022 7:48:49 GMT -6
Each type will include info on the label. Whether that info is proven as fact I do not know. I do know that the NuFilm P I used in early August seems to be awesome. I still find some spray evidence when I pick fruit. Nufilm P info www.millerchemical.com/products/adjuvants/nu-film-p/Just out of curiosity, does that scare you at all? Or is it past the period of possible harm to the body? I'm sure that type of info isn't out there. Nope. I wash all of the fruit before doing anything with it. The residue is easily removed, much more easily removed that trying to scrub off flyspeck and sooty blotch. I do sample fruits in the orchard before washing, those I just rub on my shirt before taking a bite. If you've eaten a grocery store apple or pear without washing it off in warm water (cold water doesn't work), you've likely eaten much worse. edit...I'll add that if you go to a you pick or regular commercial orchard and get fruit, you almost certainly are getting exposure to a number of insecticides, fungicides, and herbicides. Even "organic" orchards are using chemicals to raise fruit. Organic doesn't mean harmless. I've seen studies showing more residues on organic fruit than on traditionally grown fruit, likely because organic chemicals aren't as effective and need to be re-applied frequently. I just pulled up my cheat sheet for spraying trees. I use 1 cup of Imidan, 1.5 cups of Captan, 1.25 TBS of Indar, and 2.5 TBS of Nufilm per 15 gallons of water. That amount covers all of my orchard trees. When you consider how much ends up on the fruits themselves it is pretty small. Then consider how much is removed via washing. I'm way under the max application amounts of each chemical per acre/per year. That said, I do understand why some folks don't want to spray their trees.
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Post by Sandbur on Sept 22, 2022 17:46:12 GMT -6
We just finished supper and had grilled walleye. When I went out to start the grill, a young doe was eating under the chestnut crab. Three times I told her she was ok and should keep on eating. She wandered off and I looked to see where she went. She was under the other chestnut crab.
It seems to be pretty consistent year after year for early bow season on which apple they like. I have 8-10 more planted at three different locations on the farm.
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Post by Sandbur on Oct 6, 2022 11:49:42 GMT -6
The cold front brought this little guy out for lunch.
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Post by Bwoods11 on May 10, 2023 11:21:48 GMT -6
The guy at Swedberg Nursery told me Chestnut Crab is hands down the best deer apple ! In his opinion.
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Post by Sandbur on May 10, 2023 14:17:46 GMT -6
The guy at Swedberg Nursery told me Chestnut Crab is hands down the best deer apple ! In his opinion. Definitely for September bow hunters.
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Post by smsmith on May 10, 2023 17:57:31 GMT -6
Chestnut seems to be easy to grow without a lot of babying, and it also appears to be an annual bearer. Two good traits in a deer tree
edit...I'd sure like to know what variety my "not Whitney" really is. It too grows very easily without much care and is also a heavy annual bearer. It starts to ripen in mid September and some fruit will drop throughout the fall. Most years it still has some fruit hanging in December. I should probably graft some more of that tree in the future.
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Post by buckvelvet on May 11, 2023 7:45:00 GMT -6
Chestnut seems to be easy to grow without a lot of babying, and it also appears to be an annual bearer. Two good traits in a deer tree edit...I'd sure like to know what variety my "not Whitney" really is. It too grows very easily without much care and is also a heavy annual bearer. It starts to ripen in mid September and some fruit will drop throughout the fall. Most years it still has some fruit hanging in December. I should probably graft some more of that tree in the future. My Chestnut crab I planted is 1 of 3 trees at my house I didn't graft myself. I got it from Wallace Woodstock in WI, I believe spring 2015, its on M111 and that SOB stands like 30 feet, lol. IDC how tall they get, so I don't get to pick all the fruit, oh well, I love my fruit trees I have.
You are right though Chestnut is quite the prolific grower and doesn't need a ton of maintenance, I good spray routine deff helps because I have noticed critters like this tree that includes insects.
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Post by smsmith on May 11, 2023 8:02:57 GMT -6
Chestnut seems to be easy to grow without a lot of babying, and it also appears to be an annual bearer. Two good traits in a deer tree edit...I'd sure like to know what variety my "not Whitney" really is. It too grows very easily without much care and is also a heavy annual bearer. It starts to ripen in mid September and some fruit will drop throughout the fall. Most years it still has some fruit hanging in December. I should probably graft some more of that tree in the future. My Chestnut crab I planted is 1 of 3 trees at my house I didn't graft myself. I got it from Wallace Woodstock in WI, I believe spring 2015, its on M111 and that SOB stands like 30 feet, lol. IDC how tall they get, so I don't get to pick all the fruit, oh well, I love my fruit trees I have.
You are right though Chestnut is quite the prolific grower and doesn't need a ton of maintenance, I good spray routine deff helps because I have noticed critters like this tree that includes insects.
Ya, it seems that many apples that people (and deer) like, insects also like. I imagine that has at least something to do with high brix (sugar) levels. IME, if you want some good looking apples that most anybody would eat without hesitation you need to do at least some spraying for bugs and diseases.
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Post by Sandbur on May 11, 2023 11:21:33 GMT -6
I gave my uncle a chestnut crab for his 80th birthday. That is probably 30 years ago and the tree is now dying.( half of it anyway)
This is up in usda zone 3 with very few apples nearby. They have never sprayed and the fruit is usually clean.
It is different down here with more apple trees around and a warmer climate.
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Post by smsmith on May 11, 2023 14:10:07 GMT -6
^^^yep, the more wild/unsprayed hawthorn, crab, and apple trees in an area the more insect and disease pressure you can expect.
I've seen a number of folks in Alaska talk about how they can grow apples and pears without spraying anything.
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Post by Reagan on May 11, 2023 16:15:00 GMT -6
Does hawthorn have any wildlife value? I seem to find quite a bit. Most of it has CAR or something similar on the leaves.
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Post by mnaaron on May 11, 2023 17:38:13 GMT -6
Does hawthorn have any wildlife value? I seem to find quite a bit. Most of it has CAR or something similar on the leaves. We have piles of Hawthorne pockets on our property. Deer eat the fruit and bed in them and grouse and birds are always eating them and lifting on them. Just my observation…
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Post by smsmith on May 11, 2023 17:40:17 GMT -6
Does hawthorn have any wildlife value? I seem to find quite a bit. Most of it has CAR or something similar on the leaves. Hawthorn here gets used by grouse, pheasants, and song birds. Not a lot of deer value, except for the thick, thorny cover. There are at least 2 different kinds of hawthorn here. One gets rust badly and the other not so much. I usually leave hawthorns alone, but if they're in the way I don't worry about cutting some down from time to time. FWIW...they hinge nicely and make for an incredibly thorny horizontal "hedge"
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Post by benmnwi on May 12, 2023 14:11:32 GMT -6
Hawthorns are browsed pretty heavily, so they grow pretty slow if you have a lot of deer. I have a decent number of them both at home and at the cabin. They are a solid native shrub/small tree to have around for both small game and deer cover.
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Post by smsmith on May 12, 2023 18:08:28 GMT -6
Hawthorns are browsed pretty heavily, so they grow pretty slow if you have a lot of deer. I have a decent number of them both at home and at the cabin. They are a solid native shrub/small tree to have around for both small game and deer cover. This statement made me slow down and think a bit. You're right, at least with hawthorn from maybe knee height and below. They do get heavily browsed in winter/early spring. It seems once they're maybe 5'ish tall, I don't see much browsing on the leaves/twigs however.
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