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Post by Bwoods11 on Jun 11, 2019 14:21:31 GMT -6
This tree I planted is not very old. Great growth! It is in town and controlled setting. But these Red Oaks can grow very fast.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Jun 12, 2019 8:19:16 GMT -6
The theory that oaks take too long to grow is just not accurate from my experience. We have oak plugs that are now 10-20 feet tall on some farms.
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Post by Sandbur on Jun 12, 2019 10:02:10 GMT -6
The theory that oaks take too long to grow is just not accurate from my experience. We have oak plugs that are now 10-20 feet tall on some farms. It depends on the soil and on light soils, it depends on rainfall.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Jun 12, 2019 10:17:19 GMT -6
This is a Swamp White Oak ... 3 years old. On very good soils
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Post by sd51555 on Jun 12, 2019 15:12:04 GMT -6
The theory that oaks take too long to grow is just not accurate from my experience. We have oak plugs that are now 10-20 feet tall on some farms. A little cat piss and gypsum and you'll see oaks outpace silage corn.
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Post by Sandbur on Jun 12, 2019 15:36:54 GMT -6
This is a Swamp White Oak ... 3 years old. On very good soils I have swamp white oaks that must be approaching ten years old and they might be knee high. There is a reason why oaks don’t grow naturally here and I have pretty much given up. Natural regeneration is ok with what we have. I have one red oak that I planted that is doing well and one bur oak that I started from an acorn is ok. Otherwise, I just fence a few volunteer oaks. This past winter, my Morse hybrid oaks died back again... they were near waist high after about 15 years. Those 2-3 that survived from the original twenty.
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Post by kooch on Jun 12, 2019 16:19:53 GMT -6
The theory that oaks take too long to grow is just not accurate from my experience. We have oak plugs that are now 10-20 feet tall on some farms. A little cat piss and gypsum and you'll see oaks outpace silage corn. Dog Piss dude. My Kooch neighbor told me he planted 32 Red Oaks the other day. I asked him if he fenced them, he said no. He just dibbles them in and leaves them. I wish him luck with the oak trees. I hope I'm wrong. But when he told me "I'll get around to it", I told him, "It doesn't matter anyway, the deer already ate them." Then I realized I don't even really know if the deer will eat his little oak saplings.
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Post by sd51555 on Jun 12, 2019 16:56:31 GMT -6
These are the hard lessons I've learned over the years. If it was meant to grow in that spot, it'd be growing in that spot. Don't try to outsmart the creator.
The best food plot book ever written was the book of Genesis and Proverbs.
Genesis 1:29-1:31 God said, "See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food and manage them with a Stihl MS 250. And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food, and it's food, the sun. Bring forth the sun, and the earth shall provide." And it was so. God saw everything that he had made, and indeed, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.
"A reasonable habitat plan would do its best to emulate nature. Rather than change the earth to suit a plan, it would diversify its plan to suit the earth."
-Verlyn Klinkenborg
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Post by kooch on Jun 12, 2019 19:48:53 GMT -6
These are the hard lessons I've learned over the years. If it was meant to grow in that spot, it'd be growing in that spot. Don't try to outsmart the creator. The best food plot book ever written was the book of Genesis and Proverbs. Genesis 1:29-1:31 God said, "See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food and manage them with a Stihl MS 250. And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food, and it's food, the sun. Bring forth the sun, and the earth shall provide." And it was so. God saw everything that he had made, and indeed, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.
"A reasonable habitat plan would do its best to emulate nature. Rather than change the earth to suit a plan, it would diversify its plan to suit the earth."
-Verlyn KlinkenborgHow much cilantro you got growing naturally up there?
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Post by sd51555 on Jun 12, 2019 20:06:21 GMT -6
These are the hard lessons I've learned over the years. If it was meant to grow in that spot, it'd be growing in that spot. Don't try to outsmart the creator. The best food plot book ever written was the book of Genesis and Proverbs. Genesis 1:29-1:31 God said, "See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food and manage them with a Stihl MS 250. And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food, and it's food, the sun. Bring forth the sun, and the earth shall provide." And it was so. God saw everything that he had made, and indeed, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.
"A reasonable habitat plan would do its best to emulate nature. Rather than change the earth to suit a plan, it would diversify its plan to suit the earth."
-Verlyn KlinkenborgHow much cilantro you got growing naturally up there? So I may not adhere to my own advice all the time...
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Post by sd51555 on Jun 12, 2019 20:07:49 GMT -6
He who hurls the most shit at the wall shall inherit the earth.
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Post by nhmountains on Jun 13, 2019 0:02:02 GMT -6
This is a Swamp White Oak ... 3 years old. On very good soils I have swamp white oaks that must be approaching ten years old and they might be knee high. There is a reason why oaks don’t grow naturally here and I have pretty much given up. Natural regeneration is ok with what we have. I have one red oak that I planted that is doing well and one bur oak that I started from an acorn is ok. Otherwise, I just fence a few volunteer oaks. This past winter, my Morse hybrid oaks died back again... they were near waist high after about 15 years. Those 2-3 that survived from the original twenty. For you guys with sandy soils I still think you get a load of wood chips from a tree service or buy a DR chipper. Let them rot for a few months. Use those as ramial mulch on your new trees. I think you’d see a huge difference in growth.
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Post by Sandbur on Jun 13, 2019 3:57:44 GMT -6
I have swamp white oaks that must be approaching ten years old and they might be knee high. There is a reason why oaks don’t grow naturally here and I have pretty much given up. Natural regeneration is ok with what we have. I have one red oak that I planted that is doing well and one bur oak that I started from an acorn is ok. Otherwise, I just fence a few volunteer oaks. This past winter, my Morse hybrid oaks died back again... they were near waist high after about 15 years. Those 2-3 that survived from the original twenty. For you guys with sandy soils I still think you get a load of wood chips from a tree service or buy a DR chipper. Let them rot for a few months. Use those as ramial mulch on your new trees. I think you’d see a huge difference in growth. I have part of a pile of 18 month old chips. They are a mixture of red cedar and box elder/Siberian elm. I might be wrong on the elm species.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Jun 13, 2019 8:09:38 GMT -6
I have tons of bur oak in my area, so something with bur seems to work...the swamp bur oak hybrid or Schuette is my favorite oak to plant in my area. Agree with Art, though on sandy soil, oaks are tough to grow.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Jun 13, 2019 8:13:12 GMT -6
I'll change the thread to include all oaks...
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