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Post by Foggy on Aug 27, 2019 7:18:55 GMT -6
So none of your kids are going to college? I'm glad you had success with your business but we all know the statistics on business failures. College gets you opportunities that still require the individual to succeed. There are allot of over educated mediocre performing college graduates out there. Hard work is still the key. My kids may not equate high pay with success. I have Pushed them to do something that excites them and if they want money it will happen. My oldest will own his house and 16 acres outright in a year or so. He does not march to anyone’s drum. See what happens with the other 2. In hindsight I hated The career my college degree gave me. A meaningless thankless job into management. Getting fired was a blessing as I would never had quit. ^ Gotta say......one thing I learned along the way is that when one door closes you start looking for another door to climb thru.....and that often leads to the next opportunity. It builds character or can knock you down....depending on what you do with it. I seen both.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Aug 27, 2019 7:29:32 GMT -6
I still stand with fuck college. One of the biggest financial scams now in history. Kids coming out financially ruined before they even start out in life because of students loans and credit card abuse is sickening. All pounded into their heads starting in HS that its ok to go into big student loan debt. Just look at half the people that call into that Dave Ramsey show swimming in piles of student loan debt with no way out of it. Unreal what is going on right now.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 27, 2019 7:32:58 GMT -6
The thing is, without that piece of paper from some university/college...your resume' just gets tossed in the circular file. A 4 year diploma opens doors that aren't open without one.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Aug 27, 2019 7:40:39 GMT -6
The thing is, without that piece of paper from some university/college...your resume' just gets tossed in the circular file. A 4 year diploma opens doors that aren't open without one. All part of the scam!
With that being said, my daughter had many doors opened for her after graduating college. But having to pay for all those bullshit classes that have absolutely nothing to do with her field of work is just sick!
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Post by kabic on Aug 27, 2019 7:41:43 GMT -6
I think that belief that a ton of student loan debt is OK may have ran its coarse. My daughter drove up and had an interview the other day. She now has a job lined up while at school.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Aug 27, 2019 7:46:57 GMT -6
I think that belief that a ton of student loan debt is OK may have ran its coarse. My daughter drove up and had an interview the other day. She now has a job lined up while at school. Currently, 2.8 million people over the age of 60 still have student loan debt.......WTF?
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Post by batman on Aug 27, 2019 7:47:30 GMT -6
My 10th grader may do trade school for 11th and 12th grade. Graduate with a marketable skill.
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Post by biglakebass on Aug 27, 2019 7:49:19 GMT -6
The thing is, without that piece of paper from some university/college...your resume' just gets tossed in the circular file. A 4 year diploma opens doors that aren't open without one. All part of the scam!
With that being said, my daughter had many doors opened for her after graduating college. But having to pay for all those bullshit classes that have absolutely nothing to do with her field of work is just sick!
No shit. My son could have graduated probably a full semester eariler if he didnt have to take the bullshit classes. How can a college even think its ok to charge 1 credit to take a fucking bowling class?
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Post by smsmith on Aug 27, 2019 7:51:24 GMT -6
The thing is, without that piece of paper from some university/college...your resume' just gets tossed in the circular file. A 4 year diploma opens doors that aren't open without one. All part of the scam!
With that being said, my daughter had many doors opened for her after graduating college. But having to pay for all those bullshit classes that have absolutely nothing to do with her field of work is just sick!
I agree. Self-directed students should be leaving high school with the necessary course work done so they can go right into their degree courses. The first two years of a 4 year education are pretty much high school all over again anyway. High school students who don't know what they want to do or aren't self-directed in high school would end up having to pay more to get the B.S. out of the way. Reward high achieving students instead of spending all of a school's time and resources dealing with the shit heads.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Aug 27, 2019 7:57:26 GMT -6
All part of the scam!
With that being said, my daughter had many doors opened for her after graduating college. But having to pay for all those bullshit classes that have absolutely nothing to do with her field of work is just sick!
I agree. Self-directed students should be leaving high school with the necessary course work done so they can go right into their degree courses. The first two years of a 4 year education are pretty much high school all over again anyway. High school students who don't know what they want to do or aren't self-directed in high school would end up having to pay more to get the B.S. out of the way. Reward high achieving students instead of spending all of a school's time and resources dealing with the shit heads. Yep, could not agree more. So why is that not being changed?
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Post by Reagan on Aug 27, 2019 8:05:14 GMT -6
Change will take a reduction in the number of people participating which will lead to a reduction in funds.
Kind of like MN deer hunting.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Aug 27, 2019 8:21:47 GMT -6
I think it is 50/50 when it comes to college and will it benefit the student. My son went to NDSU and graduated with a degree in mechanical engineering. He makes really good money, and would never have had that opportunity without the degree.
There are definitely some kids that spend the $$$ and never benefit by the high cost. I can think of a few off the top of my head. I know one of my son's classmate has $140,000 of student loans and is in a fairly low paying field.
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Post by buckvelvet on Aug 27, 2019 8:41:09 GMT -6
Never went to college, no ragrets (LOL). I hated high school so much I just wanted to join the work force and get out. I cannot say that I made 100% great choices though I've worked for the same insurance office since I graduated high-school in 2002. I am not some captain of industry or someone that will retire at age 40. I'm ok with my life not being romanticized with ill conceived notions of greatness.
I honestly don't feel like I missed anything by not going to college. However I just tend to have a really simple view on most things so maybe thats why.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 27, 2019 9:33:05 GMT -6
I agree. Self-directed students should be leaving high school with the necessary course work done so they can go right into their degree courses. The first two years of a 4 year education are pretty much high school all over again anyway. High school students who don't know what they want to do or aren't self-directed in high school would end up having to pay more to get the B.S. out of the way. Reward high achieving students instead of spending all of a school's time and resources dealing with the shit heads. Yep, could not agree more. So why is that not being changed?$$$ and "prestige" would be my guess. A guy can only imagine how much pull somebody like a Duke university professor has within their community. I argued with guidance counselors and administrators for years. Did me or my students zero good. System wide change is extremely difficult.
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Post by sd51555 on Aug 27, 2019 9:54:30 GMT -6
It's all a giant racketeering scam.
Students, poor people, hungry people, old people, sick people, farmers, homeowners, etc. All those people are simple conduits to shuttle money between government and the entities that put them in power. Nobody gives a shit about students getting a quality education. They want to know how much debt we cam cram up their ass so schools can pull it out their mouth. Nobody gives a shit about feeding hungry people. It's all about how much junk food we can we cram in someone's mouth to pull dollars out their ass.
Drugs in, money out. Medicaid farming, money out. Walking around money, Walmart sales. Homes = wealth (only for everyone other than the owner).
I was watching a documentary over the weekend and the topic of farm sustainability was on the table. Over the past say 30 years, in Canada, 98% of profits in the ag sector had gone to entities other than farmers. Another one talked about a corn grower that beat the county average on corn by 50 bushels, and still lost money.
Despite all the stimulus and funding in all this shit, outcomes for the person in the middle are horrible. Why?
It was never about helping anyone. Just two fiscal predators making a vulnerable person air tight, high fiving each other the whole way.
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