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Post by Sandbur on Nov 11, 2019 8:19:16 GMT -6
There is a cost share program with the forestry service to eradicate Buckthorn going on right now. It requires cutting the tree off and treating the stump with brush killer. We have been selling Tordon RTU for stump treatment. Eradication is a pipe dream, just like cwd and zebes. Maybe a degree of control.
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Post by smsmith on Nov 11, 2019 8:23:33 GMT -6
There is a cost share program with the forestry service to eradicate Buckthorn going on right now. It requires cutting the tree off and treating the stump with brush killer. We have been selling Tordon RTU for stump treatment. Eradication is a pipe dream, just like cwd and zebes. Maybe a degree of control. Yep. Especially when I see land under government control that has a complete understory of the stuff. Pretty much impossible to totally get rid of buckthorn on a regional or even local basis. That said, I think I can come close to keeping mature plants from growing on my little chunk of the world. I saw some "news" story last spring about a group in the Metro trying to stop government from using glyphosate to control buckthorn. I'm sure they're against Tordon and Crossbow too. They wanted "natural" control....like goats. Not sure goats are native to the U.S. though
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Post by batman on Nov 11, 2019 8:41:53 GMT -6
There is a cost share program with the forestry service to eradicate Buckthorn going on right now. It requires cutting the tree off and treating the stump with brush killer. We have been selling Tordon RTU for stump treatment. Eradication is a pipe dream, just like cwd and zebes. Maybe a degree of control. What if we shot all of the robins?
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Post by smsmith on Nov 11, 2019 8:46:47 GMT -6
Eradication is a pipe dream, just like cwd and zebes. Maybe a degree of control. What if we shot all of the robins? Don't forget the bluejays. I watched a bunch of them in my buckthorn epicenter the last two days. Not sure what they'd be doing in there besides eating the berries.
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Post by Foggy on Nov 11, 2019 9:05:49 GMT -6
There is a cost share program with the forestry service to eradicate Buckthorn going on right now. It requires cutting the tree off and treating the stump with brush killer. We have been selling Tordon RTU for stump treatment. If you have at least two people working on killing buckthorn, cut stump treatments would be the way to go. Less chemical used by far that way. With just me, I wasn't going to try cutting them, moving them off the stumps so the chemical covers it completely, and making sure I sprayed all that I cut. Basal bark treatment is much faster for a one man operation. About 20 years ago we built a home in New Ulm. The property had a pretty fair stand of buckthorn on it and much of it got excavated out when we built the home.....but there remained possibly 1/4 of an acre after we got everything built. I cut the buckthorn and my wife immediately would treat the stumps with Tordon RTU applied with a wet sponge or paint brush. Worked slick as you could find the stumps if you worked in tandem as said here. After repeating once or twice more......we had defeated the buckthorn entirely from our land there. We watched late each fall for the telltale green leaves.....and would get after any stragglers. Also talked to our neighbors about eradication......and they did put some effort into it.....but lacked the annual followup treatments.
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Post by Sandbur on Nov 11, 2019 9:18:07 GMT -6
If you have at least two people working on killing buckthorn, cut stump treatments would be the way to go. Less chemical used by far that way. With just me, I wasn't going to try cutting them, moving them off the stumps so the chemical covers it completely, and making sure I sprayed all that I cut. Basal bark treatment is much faster for a one man operation. About 20 years ago we built a home in New Ulm. The property had a pretty fair stand of buckthorn on it and much of it got excavated out when we built the home.....but there remained possibly 1/4 of an acre after we got everything built. I cut the buckthorn and my wife immediately would treat the stumps with Tordon RTU applied with a wet sponge or paint brush. Worked slick as you could find the stumps if you worked in tandem as said here. After repeating once or twice more......we had defeated the buckthorn entirely from our land there. We watched late each fall for the telltale green leaves.....and would get after any stragglers. Also talked to our neighbors about eradication......and they did put some effort into it.....but lacked the annual followup treatments. I lack any effort on it.
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Post by smsmith on Nov 11, 2019 9:33:06 GMT -6
If you have at least two people working on killing buckthorn, cut stump treatments would be the way to go. Less chemical used by far that way. With just me, I wasn't going to try cutting them, moving them off the stumps so the chemical covers it completely, and making sure I sprayed all that I cut. Basal bark treatment is much faster for a one man operation. About 20 years ago we built a home in New Ulm. The property had a pretty fair stand of buckthorn on it and much of it got excavated out when we built the home.....but there remained possibly 1/4 of an acre after we got everything built. I cut the buckthorn and my wife immediately would treat the stumps with Tordon RTU applied with a wet sponge or paint brush. Worked slick as you could find the stumps if you worked in tandem as said here. After repeating once or twice more......we had defeated the buckthorn entirely from our land there. We watched late each fall for the telltale green leaves.....and would get after any stragglers. Also talked to our neighbors about eradication......and they did put some effort into it.....but lacked the annual followup treatments. Like anything else, if it's worth doing - it's worth doing well. It really isn't rocket science, buckthorn and other invasives can be controlled on any property if the owner(s) are able and willing to put forth the effort. I could control the bush honeysuckle here if I was willing to put forth the effort, but as of right now...I am not I see some wildlife value to the B.H. I see next to none for the buckthorn
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Post by Bwoods11 on Nov 11, 2019 9:35:34 GMT -6
A lady from my hometown made chokecherry jam from Buckthorn berries(the story) goes??😂
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Post by smsmith on Nov 11, 2019 9:38:40 GMT -6
A lady from my hometown made chokecherry jam from Buckthorn berries(the story) goes??😂 That would have been ugly. I guess a little bit of the berries "only" gives you extreme nausea and diarrhea. A bunch can kill you
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Post by biglakebass on Nov 11, 2019 9:41:22 GMT -6
We have to do something. To the south on my stand, I cant see beyond 40 yds now. Its an 8 ft wall of green.
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Post by smsmith on Nov 11, 2019 9:45:47 GMT -6
We have to do something. To the south on my stand, I cant see beyond 40 yds now. Its an 8 ft wall of green. Go buy 2, 2 gallon sprayers, a 5 gallon can of diesel (or 3), and 2.5 gallon jug of Crossbow. You and your boy out there for a day will put one hell of a hurting on a whole bunch of buckthorn.
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Post by biglakebass on Nov 11, 2019 9:51:06 GMT -6
Need 3 sprayers. Dad can help too.
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Post by biglakebass on Nov 11, 2019 9:52:05 GMT -6
Never done basal spraying.
Can you just wand one side of the tree? How far up and down do you spray it? surely dont want to do this and find out we didnt apply it properly.
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Post by smsmith on Nov 11, 2019 9:57:03 GMT -6
Never done basal spraying. Can you just wand one side of the tree? How far up and down do you spray it? surely dont want to do this and find out we didnt apply it properly. I tend to go overkill when doing this kind of shit...but I believe the recommendation is to spray a single side of the trunk from the ground up about 18". (I usually go higher than that, probably 3' on average. I want the shit dead the first time). That's for trunks up to around 3" or so, on larger stuff they recommend going all the way around. On trunks over 6" (rare with buckthorn IME) they recommend hack and squirt or cut stump treatment instead. You do need to do it while there isn't snow or standing water protecting the trunk bases. You want to get the root collars sprayed. A little bit of snow isn't a big deal. A foot is more problematic. edit...oh yeah, you don't want to be using high pressure in the sprayers. Whatever gets sprayed is gonna die or at least be significantly injured. I only use as much pressure as necessary to get spray coming out.
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Post by biglakebass on Nov 11, 2019 10:00:14 GMT -6
We should have nothing thats close to 6 inches, much less 3 inches. We went through it all 10 years ago or so.
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