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Post by smsmith on Jan 31, 2020 22:06:23 GMT -6
That low deer kill can be attributed to the amount of antlerless tags that the CDAC's keep giving out due to poor metrics given to them by the DNR. What's the difference between a deer shot with a rifle or a shotgun, either way if it is a good shot it is a dead deer. Whats better a guy with a shotgun that has a hard time hitting the side of a barn shooting at several bucks maybe wounding them where they run off and die days later or using a rifle with a scope and maybe killing the 1st buck and not having to shoot at any more bucks to fill his tag. Go stick your head in the sand. Rifles are no more effective than shotguns. Huh?...you just got done saying that because rifles are far more effective that our deer hunting is gonna get worse for numbers and quality?
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Post by batman on Jan 31, 2020 22:09:25 GMT -6
Go stick your head in the sand. Rifles are no more effective than shotguns. Huh?...you just got done saying that because rifles are far more effective that our deer hunting is gonna get worse for numbers and quality? Tongue in cheek. Rifles will change your world.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Jan 31, 2020 22:17:28 GMT -6
I called the MDHA (Craig) today. That’s about all a guy can do is make calls. I don't belong to MDHA. Craig doesn't give two shits what I think. I don't blame him. If he's saying it's gonna pass easily, that would indicate to me that local chapters of MDHA (including those in W, SW, and NW MN) are going to back this plan. Since no other group has any statewide pull in this state...it's a done deal. I am sure the MDHA guys figure what the hell? Most of them don’t give a crap about quality. Totally brown it’s down guys. Many of them would have a gun season from Sept 1-Dec 31 if they could, not exaggerating.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Jan 31, 2020 22:19:48 GMT -6
Realtor in Buffalo County said since rifles mature buck harvest is way down (Weiss Realty)... I d guess he knows?? I believe Buffalo County has always allowed rifles Rule changed he said,,, 9 day season part of the season was slug? Not sure, but that is what he said. SW Wisconsin ?
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Post by wklman on Jan 31, 2020 22:22:58 GMT -6
Huh?...you just got done saying that because rifles are far more effective that our deer hunting is gonna get worse for numbers and quality? Tongue in cheek. Rifles will change your world. I would say that longer and more liberal seasons will change your world more then any weapon choice. If hunters were truly honest in mn they'd knock 2 months off the bow season and half both the rifle and muzzleloader to effectively "help" the herd. But no ones gonna make that sacrifice in any sort of way.
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Post by Sandbur on Feb 1, 2020 4:35:20 GMT -6
I am not real familiar with current hunting methods in shot gun areas. I seem to think the rifleman will take one good shot while slug hunters just tend to keep shooting multiple times. True or false? Since I'm less than a mile south of the rifle zone, I can hear both rifle and shotgun shots. I tend to hear one or two rifle shots, and 3-5 shotgun shots...oftentimes followed by another 3-5 shotgun blasts from the next guy, and maybe another 3-5 after that... Is it safer with rifle because of less stray bullets?
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Post by Sandbur on Feb 1, 2020 6:04:20 GMT -6
I need to keep reminding myself that i get too focused on big bucks. I know they are fun to dream and talk about, but perhaps we just need to sit back and enjoy what we have got.
With spreading CWD, this isn’t much else we can do anyway, except go fishin’!
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Post by terrifictom on Feb 1, 2020 7:01:38 GMT -6
Since I'm less than a mile south of the rifle zone, I can hear both rifle and shotgun shots. I tend to hear one or two rifle shots, and 3-5 shotgun shots...oftentimes followed by another 3-5 shotgun blasts from the next guy, and maybe another 3-5 after that... Is it safer with rifle because of less stray bullets? That is what they have found in Wisconsin.
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Post by Freeborn on Feb 1, 2020 7:12:56 GMT -6
This type of legislation will have a negative affect on hunting property values. How many hunters are going to pay a premium to own what was quality deer hunting land? I sure hope this doesn't spread to other states.
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Post by sd51555 on Feb 1, 2020 7:21:43 GMT -6
What if it was just as simple as giving yard guys the ability to reach out from the shop, barn, and house? You can hunt all day every day with a rifle leaned up against the welder and stack of tags on the tool box.
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Post by sd51555 on Feb 1, 2020 7:30:18 GMT -6
This type of legislation will have a negative affect on hunting property values. How many hunters are going to pay a premium to own what was quality deer hunting land? I sure hope this doesn't spread to other states. Does it even need to go to the legislature? I wonder if the DNR can just issue an edict and make it so? I'd feel better about the state of things if they at least put on a production to make it seem like people have a say in this. If they just ram it home without the theatrics, you'll know where their confidence level lies. However, if they do more listening sesssions, trot out the 3 guys still active in blufflands to fluff the DNR at a presentation in Chatfield, and have Engwall wring his hands in a few ODN articles, it'll show they're still a little nervous about a fud uprising.
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Post by smsmith on Feb 1, 2020 7:53:10 GMT -6
What if it was just as simple as giving yard guys the ability to reach out from the shop, barn, and house? You can hunt all day every day with a rifle leaned up against the welder and stack of tags on the tool box. ....and that is significantly different than guys sitting in their heated box blinds how? Seems like there's a bunch of hand wringing on this subject and I really don't see it having a huge impact. I used to sit in my work shop with the wood burner going for what was called the "holiday hunt" during the Christmas time period. I had a food plot in the back of the shop. Ease a slider window open, watch bowl games and shoot a doe most every year so I could get "earn" my buck tag for the following year. I could have shot every damn antlerless deer I saw if I wanted because tags were unlimited. I'm sure there were plenty of others doing the same thing. There are still lots of deer as well as B&C quality bucks in that area. It's all up to deer hunters.
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Post by batman on Feb 1, 2020 7:57:20 GMT -6
85% of MN hunters will bang an antler less deer if allowed. Their kill zone will blossom.
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Post by smsmith on Feb 1, 2020 8:03:00 GMT -6
85% of MN hunters will bang an antler less deer if allowed. Their kill zone will blossom. Then the "problem" is deer hunters. Since 85% is a clear super majority, they get to make the herd look the way they want.
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Post by kl9 on Feb 1, 2020 8:09:24 GMT -6
This type of legislation will have a negative affect on hunting property values. How many hunters are going to pay a premium to own what was quality deer hunting land? I sure hope this doesn't spread to other states. I’m of the belief that it’s more likely than not that CWD management techniques (MN DNR) will negatively impact land values. However I’m good buddies with a top RE in SE MN for hunting land and he has said he hasn’t seen any depreciation yet. In fact the values keep going up is what he has seen. I’m wondering if it is still a matter of time or if there is just more to it
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