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Post by smsmith on Feb 1, 2020 8:15:22 GMT -6
This type of legislation will have a negative affect on hunting property values. How many hunters are going to pay a premium to own what was quality deer hunting land? I sure hope this doesn't spread to other states. I’m of the belief that it’s more likely than not that CWD management techniques (MN DNR) will negatively impact land values. However I’m good buddies with a top RE in SE MN for hunting land and he has said he hasn’t seen any depreciation yet. In fact the values keep going up is what he has seen. I’m wondering if it is still a matter of time or if there is just more to it I used to think that too. I don't anymore. Hasn't happened in WI. SE MN is beautiful. If deer hunters don't want that land, some other group will. Lots of money at Mayo, those folks will buy up wooded parcels and build million dollar homes.
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Post by terrifictom on Feb 1, 2020 8:20:46 GMT -6
This type of legislation will have a negative affect on hunting property values. How many hunters are going to pay a premium to own what was quality deer hunting land? I sure hope this doesn't spread to other states. I’m of the belief that it’s more likely than not that CWD management techniques (MN DNR) will negatively impact land values. However I’m good buddies with a top RE in SE MN for hunting land and he has said he hasn’t seen any depreciation yet. In fact the values keep going up is what he has seen. I’m wondering if it is still a matter of time or if there is just more to it CWD or the use of rifles in Wisconsin has not affected land values at all. Now the presence of wolves has a big time effect on values. Now that is something to bitch about and I have saw little of that in Minnesota.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Feb 1, 2020 8:49:00 GMT -6
I’ve got some really good land in Pope and Swift Counties, but overall smaller parcels 40-140 acres. Rifles in my area will be a very big step backwards. We already lose most young bucks to the neighbors during the gun season, this will make it worse. As mentioned before, guys with marginal cover will be impacted even more. You’d be amazed if I posted the trail cam pics of bucks in September/October then after the gun season in the back of the pickups.
Why would anyone want that? When will the state increase the odds of buck survival, not decrease ??
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Post by smsmith on Feb 1, 2020 9:01:46 GMT -6
I’ve got some really good land in Pope and Swift Counties, but overall smaller parcels 40-140 acres. Rifles in my area will be a very big step backwards. We already lose most young bucks to the neighbors during the gun season, this will make it worse. As mentioned before, guys with marginal cover will be impacted even more. You’d be amazed if I posted the trail cam pics of bucks in September/October then after the gun season in the back of the pickups. Why would anyone want that? When will the state increase the odds of buck survival, not decrease ?? That's easy. Never. Bucks are more likely to spread CWD. MNDNR will never do anything to increase the odds of buck survival. I said it before, the deer hunting I currently have on my parcel will likely be the best I ever get. It will likely be true for many deer hunters in this state.
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Post by benmnwi on Feb 1, 2020 10:42:09 GMT -6
removing the APRs and allowing multiple bucks killed here will drop the buck age down a notch. I think allowing rifles would drop it one more notch and that is pretty dissappointing.
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Post by smsmith on Feb 1, 2020 11:32:43 GMT -6
removing the APRs and allowing multiple bucks killed here will drop the buck age down a notch. I think allowing rifles would drop it one more notch and that is pretty dissappointing. That's entirely possible, but when push comes to shove....isn't it still the deer hunters' fault? Just because the DNR says we can do something, it doesn't mean we have to. I'm guessing around here, there will be quite a few guys who still choose to use their shotguns. "Fun" money isn't a commodity that many folks around here have in ample supply. They already own a shotgun, it has killed deer in the past, it will in the future. Just like shooting more than one buck in SE MN. If hunters don't want to do it...don't do it. Deer hunters have all the power in this situation. Too bad most don't realize it.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Feb 1, 2020 12:08:56 GMT -6
It is the hunters fault, but MN is giving them a better opportunity to be more effective or efficient. No state that I know of besides Michigan allows more efficiency than MN. Long seasons during the rut, few restrictions. Even SD, which has rifles, has a mid-November gun season, and restricts gun buck tags. It sometimes takes 3 years to draw a resident buck tag. Minnesota or Michigan have the worst overall rules (In my opinion).
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Post by Sandbur on Feb 1, 2020 12:45:08 GMT -6
Rifles will kill more deer in farm country, without a doubt. There will be guys shooting 300-400 yards. Deer will be even more nocturnal, plus it will add to our pre-season poaching issues. I don’t buy the poaching part of it. I will bet most poachers in the state currently have a rifle and could care less about poaching with a legal shotgun or illegal rifle.
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Post by Sandbur on Feb 1, 2020 12:46:08 GMT -6
Rifles will kill more deer in farm country, without a doubt. There will be guys shooting 300-400 yards. Deer will be even more nocturnal, plus it will add to our pre-season poaching issues. I don’t buy the poaching part of it. I will bet most poachers in the state currently have a rifle and could care less about poaching with a legal shotgun or illegal rifle. If it is illegal anyway, they will take the rifle.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Feb 1, 2020 13:31:18 GMT -6
Art—easier to explain having a rifle in your truck. Right now, it’d have to be for coyotes. Minor issue, but who’s pushing this??
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Post by sd51555 on Feb 1, 2020 16:32:43 GMT -6
It is the hunters fault, but MN is giving them a better opportunity to be more effective or efficient. No state that I know of besides Michigan allows more efficiency than MN. Long seasons during the rut, few restrictions. Even SD, which has rifles, has a mid-November gun season, and restricts gun buck tags. It sometimes takes 3 years to draw a resident buck tag. Minnesota or Michigan have the worst overall rules (In my opinion). You sayin we have a lottery for bucks, or are limited to one?
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Post by sd51555 on Feb 1, 2020 17:05:22 GMT -6
It is the hunters fault, but MN is giving them a better opportunity to be more effective or efficient. No state that I know of besides Michigan allows more efficiency than MN. Long seasons during the rut, few restrictions. Even SD, which has rifles, has a mid-November gun season, and restricts gun buck tags. It sometimes takes 3 years to draw a resident buck tag. Minnesota or Michigan have the worst overall rules (In my opinion). You sayin we have a lottery for bucks, or are limited to one? Wait. Ur talkin bout the state and not the legend. I’m caught up now.
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Post by smsmith on Feb 1, 2020 17:44:41 GMT -6
It is the hunters fault, but MN is giving them a better opportunity to be more effective or efficient. No state that I know of besides Michigan allows more efficiency than MN. Long seasons during the rut, few restrictions. Even SD, which has rifles, has a mid-November gun season, and restricts gun buck tags. It sometimes takes 3 years to draw a resident buck tag. Minnesota or Michigan have the worst overall rules (In my opinion). Could be. I'm a transplant. I haven't understood Minnesotans since I've moved here and still don't. If I had no familial reasons to live in this state, I'd sell in a fucking heartbeat. Since I do, I'll do whatever I can on my little chunk of the People's Republic of Minnesota to improve my deer hunting. That's all I can do. It's a whole lot easier to live here as a deer hunter once you realize that MN deer hunting is a shit show. It has been for years, and will be for years.
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Post by sd51555 on Feb 1, 2020 18:15:33 GMT -6
That ain't no shit. Eastern SD is a carbon copy of western MN far as habitat goes. The quality in bucks is night and day different. When I say every chunk of private habitat has a 120+ in it, that is no shit. You pretty much can't gun hunt here unless you wait 3+ years in most spots in eastern SD. Wasn't more than a year or two back, the state GFP gave back license fees in some areas because the hunt wasn't the quality they felt the people deserved.
I had a customer at my old job that just bowhunted outside of small town. Guy never did a food plot, salt block, or cut/planted a tree. Last year I looked with him, he had 6 bucks over 140, and they didn't have a range of more than 50 acres stretched out along a river. I'd have never guessed it possible unless I saw it with my own two eyes.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Feb 1, 2020 19:11:40 GMT -6
There are several guys in my area, that hunt South Dakota with really good success. Good state considering the limited cover. Not as many hunters, limited buck tags, gun season is after Nov 15. This is a bow buck from my friend Kavin 168. Not 100% sure but I think he said it’s the 3rd 140+ buck out of the same tree! Not many trees in this area.
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