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Post by Tooln on Apr 1, 2020 6:43:02 GMT -6
In WI the governor is telling everyone to stay at home and not travel. Then he also said we should go out and walk and enjoy nature be health. So we opens all state parks for free and encourages people to use them. Typical politican.
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Post by badbrad on Apr 1, 2020 6:58:02 GMT -6
Virus hit home last night. The guy who hired me 17 years ago and was my boss for 10 years passed away from the virus in Florida. He was 76.
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Post by sd51555 on Apr 1, 2020 7:06:36 GMT -6
Question for the group. How will the decision to shut down the country be judged? History is still to be determined but each of us at some point will decide if the shut down was a good decision for us personally and the country in general. What factors will drive our opinions? Here are a few of mine to start: Family/personal risk How many saved lives? How many deaths? Segmentation of at risk people, what percentage of people could potentially be seriously harmed by COVID 19 vs minimal risk Segmentation of deaths, Demographics of people who died, age, pre-conditions etc. Family destruction do to economic hardship Business destruction do to economic hardship Current cost to society Generational/future cost to society Duration of the economic impact Wealth impact to individuals Changes to our society, will we still be an open border country with no boundaries? What would you add and what will influence how you judge the outcome of COVID-19? I'm afraid we won't learn anything as a nation from this. My biggest fear is the mayors and governors are going to get used to the police power and wield it more often without regard for constitutionality. Freedom doesn't erode during the good times, and we can't hurl it away fast enough during the bad. And we don't ever get it back. As far as the disease goes, I don't think we'll ever know when it hit and on what stage of advancement we started testing. I think it spread through the country unknown in January/February and lots of people were bumped off a little early and we simply didn't look for it because we didn't know to. It will likely change how lots of business is done. I hope education takes some pointers from this and shrugs off the intense fixation on brick and mortar learning. Technology is the key to bigger classes of students that can keep up. If a teacher conducting a given class to 20 students can only be paid $45k, why not try to push that to 100 students and pay them a $65k rate for scaling up? Probably not a good model for STEM or lab, but history, english, health, etc...
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Post by batman on Apr 1, 2020 7:14:46 GMT -6
This shit down is forcing older people to embrace technology. Impacts to brick and mortar should be large.
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Post by mnaaron on Apr 1, 2020 7:33:15 GMT -6
This shit down is forcing older people to embrace technology. Impacts to brick and mortar should be large. You are right on that brooks. My parents are learning to skype so they can see the grandkids. Never would have done that before.
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Post by smsmith on Apr 1, 2020 7:37:15 GMT -6
Generally, old people aren't the ones reproducing. You don't have to convince me to not spend money on the newest, fanciest public school buildings. You need to convince all the soccer moms and hockey dads of the world
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Post by kabic on Apr 1, 2020 8:23:38 GMT -6
At home schooling probably is working better for my older kids. The ones in elementary are having a hard time focusing.
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Post by wiscwhip on Apr 1, 2020 19:59:55 GMT -6
Generally, old people aren't the ones reproducing. You don't have to convince me to not spend money on the newest, fanciest public school buildings. You need to convince all the soccer moms and hockey dads of the world RE: fancy public schools... I just sent out a bid yesterday for the expansion/renovations to the La Crescent, MN Elementary School. Huge switchback 200'+ long ramp with a stainless steel, #6 satin finish, mesh infill handrail, which also was around the whole perimeter of the curved, 2nd story Library/Commons Balcony. It was around 950 linear feet of the stuff. That ramp also required about 400' linear feet of #6 SS cane rail to prevent people from walking under it and hitting their head. Worse yet, 2 interior walls and the main exterior wall were curved across the full width of the building and mostly steel, aluminum, and glass. When you have to put those arcs in structural steel members, it just about triples the price per pound of that steel. $1.3 million for just the steel substructure, stairs, and rails. That's not counting any of the concrete or masonry work or anything beyond that to finish the school. Pretty sure I could have keep that bid under $600k if the lines were straight and they had a common sense ADA ramp and railings put in. Dumb waste of taxpayer money.
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Post by buckvelvet on Apr 1, 2020 21:16:31 GMT -6
I’ve been getting as much firewood cut as time & weather allows. I never have this much free time to do something like this.
I cut all my orchards 2 weeks before this whole thing blew up so I literally have nothing else to do. So gas up, sharpen chain, cut, load, unload, repeat....again, again, again.... 🤷♂️
My poor small truck been put through some paces, ‘ol 2001 quad cab f150 that has the typical manifold problems and 220k miles. Small truck bed but it’s what i got. 😂
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Apr 2, 2020 5:43:23 GMT -6
Question for the group. How will the decision to shut down the country be judged? History is still to be determined but each of us at some point will decide if the shut down was a good decision for us personally and the country in general. What factors will drive our opinions? Here are a few of mine to start: Family/personal risk How many saved lives? How many deaths? Segmentation of at risk people, what percentage of people could potentially be seriously harmed by COVID 19 vs minimal risk Segmentation of deaths, Demographics of people who died, age, pre-conditions etc. Family destruction do to economic hardship Business destruction do to economic hardship Current cost to society Generational/future cost to society Duration of the economic impact Wealth impact to individuals Changes to our society, will we still be an open border country with no boundaries? What would you add and what will influence how you judge the outcome of COVID-19? Here is how I am judging the virus. Us in mn will be the last to get hit the hardest in a month or so. If it continues to get worse over the next month, we will see the stock market down another 20%, maybe 40%, maybe more. We will start to know people that are killed by the Virus. Really Hoping it’s not one of us. I was thinking this was a bunch of bullshit. But I ain’t thinking that way no more.
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Post by Freeborn on Apr 2, 2020 6:10:24 GMT -6
Generally, old people aren't the ones reproducing. You don't have to convince me to not spend money on the newest, fanciest public school buildings. You need to convince all the soccer moms and hockey dads of the world RE: fancy public schools... I just sent out a bid yesterday for the expansion/renovations to the La Crescent, MN Elementary School. Huge switchback 200'+ long ramp with a stainless steel, #6 satin finish, mesh infill handrail, which also was around the whole perimeter of the curved, 2nd story Library/Commons Balcony. It was around 950 linear feet of the stuff. That ramp also required about 400' linear feet of #6 SS cane rail to prevent people from walking under it and hitting their head. Worse yet, 2 interior walls and the main exterior wall were curved across the full width of the building and mostly steel, aluminum, and glass. When you have to put those arcs in structural steel members, it just about triples the price per pound of that steel. $1.3 million for just the steel substructure, stairs, and rails. That's not counting any of the concrete or masonry work or anything beyond that to finish the school. Pretty sure I could have keep that bid under $600k if the lines were straight and they had a common sense ADA ramp and railings put in. Dumb waste of taxpayer money. Thanks for the insight. This is what I am seeing also with many things government touches. The city I live in has a city office complex with an art studio and everything is top of the line. Much of my background is in Manufacturing accounting, our offices were decent but pretty sparse compared to what I see in our city admin building. If they need a building why can't it be functional but also practical.
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Post by nhmountains on Apr 2, 2020 6:22:30 GMT -6
Virus hit home last night. The guy who hired me 17 years ago and was my boss for 10 years passed away from the virus in Florida. He was 76. Sorry for your loss Brad. It sounds like he had a positive influence on your life. Hang in there.
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Post by Sandbur on Apr 2, 2020 11:40:15 GMT -6
Question for the group. How will the decision to shut down the country be judged? History is still to be determined but each of us at some point will decide if the shut down was a good decision for us personally and the country in general. What factors will drive our opinions? Here are a few of mine to start: Family/personal risk How many saved lives? How many deaths? Segmentation of at risk people, what percentage of people could potentially be seriously harmed by COVID 19 vs minimal risk Segmentation of deaths, Demographics of people who died, age, pre-conditions etc. Family destruction do to economic hardship Business destruction do to economic hardship Current cost to society Generational/future cost to society Duration of the economic impact Wealth impact to individuals Changes to our society, will we still be an open border country with no boundaries? What would you add and what will influence how you judge the outcome of COVID-19? Here is how I am judging the virus. Us in mn will be the last to get hit the hardest in a month or so. If it continues to get worse over the next month, we will see the stock market down another 20%, maybe 40%, maybe more. We will start to know people that are killed by the Virus. Really Hoping it’s not one of us. I was thinking this was a bunch of bullshit. But I ain’t thinking that way no more. Just some guesstimates I heard. The US will peak about April 15 or so. Minnesota will peak about May 15. I hope that means that some parts of the US economy can get back to work sooner than others.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Apr 2, 2020 12:30:52 GMT -6
So Minnesota is below 1% of the total population with the virus. How will we get to 40% (Walz low estimate range) of the population in MN, if we are not out in the public?
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Post by smsmith on Apr 2, 2020 14:00:23 GMT -6
So Minnesota is below 1% of the total population with the virus. How will we get to 40% (Walz low estimate range) of the population in MN, if we are not out in the public? Lotsa people are still working around here. Meat packing plant, 2 meat processing plants, rendering plant, farmers, farm supply stores, retail, etc. etc. etc.
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