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Post by batman on Jan 21, 2021 17:50:10 GMT -6
Web says an apple is 85% water so it would really be less than 2 ton of feed?
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 21, 2021 17:53:43 GMT -6
It looks like the Noran is a different apple than Norkent. My Norkent ripens in August and some type of critters have them picked clean by September. Thanks for the information. Please save me some scion.
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 21, 2021 17:55:16 GMT -6
I have or will have all those listed except Norland and Harolson. My lone centennial on B118 is an absolute runt. Probably should not have let it fruit the first year. It has fruited every year it's been in the ground and just hasn't grown up yet. I should thin the entire thing for a few years to see if it grows more vertical. My kerr looked like absolute shit this year. Jury still out on that one. It's in an area that floods in the spring and could have wet feet issues. Centennial is a natural small semi-dwarf It is a good tree for the yard, but not for deer.
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Post by smsmith on Jan 21, 2021 17:56:09 GMT -6
Web says an apple is 85% water so it would really be less than 2 ton of feed? Don't know, you do the math. How much water constitutes corn, soybeans, acorns, clover, turnips, or any other natural foods?
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 21, 2021 18:00:11 GMT -6
Norland often drops in Early to mid August and appears to be quite hardy. The Trailman had a bit of fireblight this year. Centennial Crab might be a good substitute for this time period, however on B118, it is too small for a deer tree. I have or will have all those listed except Norland and Harolson. My lone centennial on B118 is an absolute runt. Probably should not have let it fruit the first year. It has fruited every year it's been in the ground and just hasn't grown up yet. I should thin the entire thing for a few years to see if it grows more vertical. My kerr looked like absolute shit this year. Jury still out on that one. It's in an area that floods in the spring and could have wet feet issues. It appears as Whitney might substitute for Norland, but Norland is more hardy. There is also some confusion on Whitney, maybe two forms of it. A mid August fruit drop is not needed in most cases where there usually lots of other food. The fruit drop in August might set a feeding pattern onto A nearby Chestnut crab for bow opener.
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Post by smsmith on Jan 21, 2021 18:04:04 GMT -6
The tree I received from Stark Bros. labeled as Whitney crab certainly isn't an August dropper. Mid-late September would be closer, and some fruit will hang well into January (if I let them)
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 21, 2021 18:05:53 GMT -6
The tree I received from Stark Bros. labeled as Whitney crab certainly isn't an August dropper. Mid-late September would be closer, and some fruit will hang well into January (if I let them) And the one I got from a farmer usually drops in early August, but family legend might have the name wrong. It tasted good, but rapidly turned to mush.
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Post by smsmith on Jan 21, 2021 18:09:58 GMT -6
The tree I received from Stark Bros. labeled as Whitney crab certainly isn't an August dropper. Mid-late September would be closer, and some fruit will hang well into January (if I let them) And the one I got from a farmer usually drops in early August, but family legend might have the name wrong. It tasted good, but rapidly turned to mush. Yours sounds closer to the Whitney my Dad had when I was a kid, but I would have called it a mid-late August dropper with a few fruit hanging into September. It too turned to mush pretty quickly. I have no idea which of them is the "real" Whitney. For a deer tree, the one I have now would be better than the one Dad had when I was a kid.
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 21, 2021 18:17:32 GMT -6
Kerr remains my favorite. They lived through the first polar vortex so I know they are bullet proof. They are also immune from FB. I get a few apples every year but think this could be the year they have a lot. How tall are your trees and what rootstock are they on. My Kerr are usually loaded. kerr is on the top. I am holding three apples from a seedling.
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 21, 2021 18:21:47 GMT -6
I have a nice mix now, but chestnut crab seems to be the go to for me...easy and grows fast so far. I have one producing nice fruit. Still a major amateur. Probably my favorite apple to eat.
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 21, 2021 18:26:40 GMT -6
At the USDA zone 3-4 junction. a friend recently asked for my recommendations. This is in the presence of considerable cedar apple rust. I have other varieties under consideration and some other notes.
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 21, 2021 18:39:27 GMT -6
Here are some comparisons for apple size. i may have Centennial and Trailman reverses in the picture with the crab apples in my hand.
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 21, 2021 18:42:39 GMT -6
There is variation from year to year. A buddy gave me some Norlands in July. That was exceptionally early. He has re ported August the last two years.
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Post by batman on Jan 21, 2021 18:49:49 GMT -6
Web says an apple is 85% water so it would really be less than 2 ton of feed? Don't know, you do the math. How much water constitutes corn, soybeans, acorns, clover, turnips, or any other natural foods? You do the math.
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Post by smsmith on Jan 21, 2021 18:49:58 GMT -6
I have a grafted Dolgo and a Golden Hornet. Not sure I would recommend either for where I'm at. The Dolgo's never drops and rot on the tree, the Golden Hornet doesn't seem to grow. It wants to produce but the tree hasn't gotten bigger for several years. The Dolgo was a quick producer also, and hasn't grown much in height but has added trunk diameter pretty well. All trees I buy are to be CAR resistant and Fire Blight resistant. Those are my number one priorities when I talk with nurseries. Nothing else I've planted in the last 5 years have produced enough or consistently enough to know how they are going to turn out. That seems to be a common observation with G.H. Mine doesn't put on much horizontal growth at all, but does at least grow "up" 8-10" a year. The fruit is worthless for humans (IMO) and since the tree is so narrow the fruit all falls inside the cage. I bought it as a late blooming pollination partner for my Court Pendu Plats, but it doesn't bloom that late. Prairie Spy appears to stay in bloom longer than G.H. at my location. I won't rip it out, but I won't plant another G.H. either.
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