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Post by Freeborn on Sept 21, 2021 11:46:06 GMT -6
If MN moved the gun season back 2-3 weeks, would doe harvest also decrease along with buck harvest? (not that I think MN will move the gun season anytime soon) This discussion came up on Missouri Whitetail. Interesting topic If the season was moved back 2-3 weeks outside of the rut it would decrease the doe harvest as the does would not get push around by the bucks. Bucks moving does is one of the reasons you see so many does.
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Post by badgerfowl on Sept 21, 2021 11:53:56 GMT -6
We don't have any problems harvesting does outside of the rut during our gun hunt. I'm guessing you guys wouldn't either.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Sept 21, 2021 12:09:37 GMT -6
If MN moved the gun season back 2-3 weeks, would doe harvest also decrease along with buck harvest? (not that I think MN will move the gun season anytime soon) This discussion came up on Missouri Whitetail. Interesting topic If the season was moved back 2-3 weeks outside of the rut it would decrease the doe harvest as the does would not get push around by the bucks. Bucks moving does is one of the reasons you see so many does. Exactly my thoughts! I think we would see more deer overall and more age structure. Any loss of hunters due to not wanting to sit in cold weather would be made up due to more quality of bucks to hunt. I do not see numbers decreasing overall..(prime example is Wisconsin)... I think a early doe season & the youth season would be much more warranted and more participation.
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Post by Freeborn on Sept 21, 2021 13:02:20 GMT -6
If the season was moved back 2-3 weeks outside of the rut it would decrease the doe harvest as the does would not get push around by the bucks. Bucks moving does is one of the reasons you see so many does. Exactly my thoughts! I think we would see more deer overall and more age structure. Any loss of hunters due to not wanting to sit in cold weather would be made up due to more quality of bucks to hunt. I do not see numbers decreasing overall..(prime example is Wisconsin)... I think a early doe season & the youth season would be much more warranted and more participation.That would be a good compromise for hunters like Art's family while improving the deer herds age structure by eliminating buck hunting during the rut. Another issue you will have is what happens to bow hunters. Bow hunters would have to sit-out the rut to get rifle hunters to buy into the later hunting season.
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Post by Sandbur on Sept 21, 2021 13:33:17 GMT -6
Exactly my thoughts! I think we would see more deer overall and more age structure. Any loss of hunters due to not wanting to sit in cold weather would be made up due to more quality of bucks to hunt. I do not see numbers decreasing overall..(prime example is Wisconsin)... I think a early doe season & the youth season would be much more warranted and more participation.That would be a good compromise for hunters like Art's family while improving the deer herds age structure by eliminating buck hunting during the rut. Another issue you will have is what happens to bow hunters. Bow hunters would have to sit-out the rut to get rifle hunters to buy into the later hunting season. I feel that in fairness, everyone should sit out the rut, like you said. Sincerely, I hope it never changes in the years I have left to hunt. We all have placed too much focus on large antlers to the detriment of the hunt. It also has lead to too much conflict and jealousy between hunters. I have been there and had those feelings. It is difficult to get past these things for me. Deer hunting needs to be an enjoyable, relaxing experience and not a contest. My neighbor to the north shoots a nice buck on the fence line nearly every year with the bow. They are good neighbors and we need to congratulate him and move on. There is always another deer to shoot .
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Post by Bob on Sept 21, 2021 13:39:14 GMT -6
That would be a good compromise for hunters like Art's family while improving the deer herds age structure by eliminating buck hunting during the rut. Another issue you will have is what happens to bow hunters. Bow hunters would have to sit-out the rut to get rifle hunters to buy into the later hunting season. Deer hunting needs to be an enjoyable, relaxing experience and not a contest. ^^This. You have any idea the immense pressure I'm under to outperform the guy with the NO-till drill with all the other gadgets and potions? Especially when all I've got is a sup'ed up walk behind mower, a leaf blower, and a 5 gallon bucket with no handle? It ain't easy. Neither is pimpin'.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Sept 21, 2021 15:28:29 GMT -6
Just look at other states in the Midwest, Iowa, SD, Illinois, Missouri, Wisconsin (all good states).. Those states all have a gun season later than Nov 20 and they bow hunt in early November.
They don't have an MDHA type political organization that injects politics into management (we base our strategy in MN on tradition) and will not change anything, except add more gun seasons. That is the only thing that ever happens, more gun seasons making it worse yet.
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Post by Freeborn on Sept 21, 2021 15:55:18 GMT -6
Just look at other states in the Midwest, Iowa, SD, Illinois, Missouri, Wisconsin (all good states).. Those states all have a gun season later than Nov 20 and they bow hunt in early November. They don't have an MDHA type political organization that injects politics into management (we base our strategy in MN on tradition) and will not change anything, except add more gun seasons. That is the only thing that ever happens, more gun seasons making it worse yet. If the goal is to have a natural age distribution of the deer herd I believe Minnesota has it wrong with its rifle season. I believe the current hunting date is to satisfy hunters and not for the health of the herd. It won't change, Minnesota speaks out of both sides of its mouth on any topic required to get political gain.
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Post by kooch on Sept 21, 2021 15:58:54 GMT -6
You guys know I can read all of this right?😂😂
As a representative of the orange army, and a certified lever action Fudd, I resent this.
Actually, if they moved the rifle season back to when the muzzy season runs now, I'd just change my food plot plantings to all turnips and pumpkins and kill them over food post rut.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Sept 21, 2021 16:07:01 GMT -6
You guys know I can read all of this right?😂😂 As a representative of the orange army, and a certified lever action Fudd, I resent this. Actually, if they moved the rifle season back to when the muzzy season runs now, old just change my food plot plantings to all turnips and pumpkins and kill them over food post rut. Zone 1 could be a one week earlier ? Since it’s a longer season .
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Post by Sandbur on Sept 21, 2021 16:08:21 GMT -6
Just look at other states in the Midwest, Iowa, SD, Illinois, Missouri, Wisconsin (all good states).. Those states all have a gun season later than Nov 20 and they bow hunt in early November. They don't have an MDHA type political organization that injects politics into management (we base our strategy in MN on tradition) and will not change anything, except add more gun seasons. That is the only thing that ever happens, more gun seasons making it worse yet. Please remember that 1/3 of Minnesota exists north of all of Wisconsin where winter can hit early and put lots of pressure on the herd from nature. Add in rifle season and it could drastically hurt the northern herds. The climate simply isn’t the same as those other states. Antler growth is slower and shorter tines which in the northwoods reflects that pressure from a shorter growing season.
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Post by kooch on Sept 21, 2021 16:08:27 GMT -6
Four week rifle season in Zone 1. Let's go!!!
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Post by Sandbur on Sept 21, 2021 16:16:29 GMT -6
You guys know I can read all of this right?😂😂 As a representative of the orange army, and a certified lever action Fudd, I resent this. Actually, if they moved the rifle season back to when the muzzy season runs now, old just change my food plot plantings to all turnips and pumpkins and kill them over food post rut. Zone 1 could be a one week earlier ? Since it’s a longer season . I think neither of us has experienced what the other has and thus our differences of opinions. I hunted a late season in zone 1 where it was delayed because of fire danger and it was damned cold. We could only sit for about 20 minutes and in those days we had no enclosed stands. And I have probably not experienced the hunting pressure you see to the west of me in firearm season. Overall, our hunting pressure is down from 20 years ago in zone 1 and in my parts of zone 2.
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Post by Sandbur on Sept 21, 2021 16:18:04 GMT -6
Four week rifle season in Zone 1. Let's go!!! Mid week hunting in zone 1 rifle season can show lots of natural deer movement as can the last weekend.
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Post by caveman on Sept 21, 2021 16:19:17 GMT -6
Just look at other states in the Midwest, Iowa, SD, Illinois, Missouri, Wisconsin (all good states).. Those states all have a gun season later than Nov 20 and they bow hunt in early November. They don't have an MDHA type political organization that injects politics into management (we base our strategy in MN on tradition) and will not change anything, except add more gun seasons. That is the only thing that ever happens, more gun seasons making it worse yet. Those states don't have the winters we do. Apples to oranges.
From a management stand point there is no reason to have an archery-only season. The archery season was only created because of politics, people wanted it.
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