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Post by Foggy on Aug 4, 2021 14:10:00 GMT -6
I made up my mind to buy a No Till Drill for my operation. Right now I am focussed on a NEW Saya 507 No Till Drill made by Tar River Implements. There are several available in Ill and Kansas....but they are somewhat hard to get. I almost called a dealer in Kansas and bought one to have it shipped here. Then I thought I should ask MO to pick it up on the way home and pay him some freight (interested MO?). I really dont want it this year anymore.....to late in the season by the time I get it. But all machinery is hard to get so I am going to buy one and have it ready to go next season. These things cost $5950.00 plus freight. You can read about them on Habitat Talk and you can see pictures and such on Tar River or the Tractor House site (under Tar River Saya 507). I know "it's too much money" for your limited uses. Right, they cost too much. But if I can sell my planter and perhaps some tillage stuff.....it's not THAT much more......and I can afford it. There is a lake cabin realtor near here.....and their slogan is : "Life is short....Buy a cabin". My new slogan is: "Life is short....Buy a drill". . Any better ideas on a drill?? After allot of research....I think this is the best deal for me?? I also like what TomT did on the cut down drill....but I feel this one above may be a better situation for me....as parts are avaialble and a few other reasons (ss hoppers, etc). Good machinery holds its value.
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Post by badgerfowl on Aug 4, 2021 15:06:35 GMT -6
Toys are fun. Buy it and have fun I say. You won't be in the bread lines because of it!
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Post by Tooln on Aug 4, 2021 15:17:00 GMT -6
You've got the recourses, what good was working for it if you don't spend it on something you want.
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Post by Foggy on Aug 4, 2021 15:17:10 GMT -6
I talked to the Kubota dealer where I bought my tractor. They have a $$$$ Great Plains Drill on their lot. Crazy $$$ for my needs. They also sell Land Pride....which is just a rebadged GP. Not sure if they can offer other brands....but he is going to look into doing the below. Told him: " I am going to buy this drill (Saya 507) but dont need it till spring. You guys sell to allot of folks like me...plotters. Why dont you become a dealer for these drills and sell your first one to me. I will give you a fair deposit to hold it until spring (or pay you). You use the drill to sell other drills to folks as they are becoming the preferred plotting tool according to what I have read." He is looking into doing as I suggested.....and I think he will take me up on it (??). If he does not work a deal with me...then I will buy one somewhere....and soon. I dont want to have my nose on the outside of the window next year. . Tractors and machinery are hard to get....like most other stuff. My advantage would be that I know where my drill would be in Spring....and would not have shipping and logistics issues while I'm in OZ. (life aint easy when you winter somewhere else).
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Post by Foggy on Aug 4, 2021 15:30:47 GMT -6
Here are features and benefits of the Tar River Saya 507
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Post by terrifictom on Aug 4, 2021 16:00:42 GMT -6
I looked at that Tar River no-till drill for a long time before I bought the grain drill. At the time when I was looking at them most guys were saying that it was not a true no-till and that in some cases you would still have to prepare the dirt before planting. That was what made me go the route that I did. Tar River also makes a 6 foot grain drill in the 3500 dollar range that isn't as expensive as their no-till that is suppose to work well. Just have to prep the dirt 1st.
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Post by Foggy on Aug 4, 2021 18:40:48 GMT -6
I looked at that Tar River no-till drill for a long time before I bought the grain drill. At the time when I was looking at them most guys were saying that it was not a true no-till and that in some cases you would still have to prepare the dirt before planting. That was what made me go the route that I did. Tar River also makes a 6 foot grain drill in the 3500 dollar range that isn't as expensive as their no-till that is suppose to work well. Just have to prep the dirt 1st. Yep.....and I think if you have really heavy and dry soil....or wet clay....you may have troubles with the Tar River Drill. They also make some "drills" that are really seeders....and I have little interest in that. I see some others like woods and Land Pride are also deceiving folks with that chit. Shame on them. Anyway....the Saya 507 is "likely" a great drill for my sandy soils. I can see it working well up here....as I have no problems doing no - till even with my planter (which has less down pressure on the units than this drill). Most folks report good performance even in clay.....but I suppose the results may vary? Knowing what I think I know today about my soils.....I believe this will be just the ticket. Looking forward to pulling the trigger pretty soon. Thanks Tom for your inputs. Some of what you wrote allowed me to follow my nose and search to where I am today. And....if this thing goes "south" I have little fear of recovering the price paid - or damn near.
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Post by Foggy on Aug 4, 2021 19:25:21 GMT -6
One can hope!
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Post by Foggy on Aug 5, 2021 18:18:35 GMT -6
I'm thinking lots of guys dont care about this thread.....but I am including some of my reserch to keep it all in one place.....and perhaps others may use it at some point. I found another video that does a good job of reviewing an "old model" of this drill. The reivew is for a Tar River DR-072....and the two drills are similar....but different in a few big ways. 1. The SAYA 507 is a bit longer in order to incorporate the fluted no till coulters that run in front of the double disk openers....where the seeds and fertilizer is dropped. 2. The DRL-072 had a lightweight culitpacker that followed the spring loaded closing plates. There are some inaccuracies in what these two guys say in the YouTube video (weight is wrong AND the price info is wrong.....and a few other things) but the overview on the operation is excellent. I think I am going to like this drill. Edit: I wonder if they will make an ATV unit for SD?
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Post by Foggy on Aug 5, 2021 19:07:12 GMT -6
I looked at that Tar River no-till drill for a long time before I bought the grain drill. At the time when I was looking at them most guys were saying that it was not a true no-till and that in some cases you would still have to prepare the dirt before planting. That was what made me go the route that I did. Tar River also makes a 6 foot grain drill in the 3500 dollar range that isn't as expensive as their no-till that is suppose to work well. Just have to prep the dirt 1st. ^ Tom, They also had / have the Tar River DRL-072 which is a minimum till drill.....as compared to the SAYA 507 I plan to purchase. The first one is about $1500 cheaper and it would do well in a tillage situation. I believe the SAYA 507 has been on the market for just over a year......and is an upgraded version to the DRL unit and they did away with the culitpacker (dont need it for no till) and added the slitting Coulter in front of the double disk openers. These are asian made units, but assembled in the USA. The guys that own them speak highly of them from several forums I have read. The video I posted is really quite good and covers many of the features found on both units. Tar River has very sketchy information and really confuses these conventional drills and no-till drills. Taken me a while to sort out what's going on here with the model confusion. It seems like Tar River has a number of good quality implements (GRAPPLES) and good hay equipment for the small time operator. Someone is doing their homework at this company with the products they offer. Good designs for compact tractors!!
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Post by Foggy on Aug 6, 2021 18:55:54 GMT -6
Here is the SAYA 507 in action.
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Post by Foggy on Aug 7, 2021 10:33:54 GMT -6
Doing some surfing on the inter webs and saw this video which does a good job of showing the benefits of a drill. ( Tho this guy bought a Tar River conventional drill instead of a No Till drill.....I do not understand that.....but I dont think he knew better when he purchased? He could have gone no till for just a few dollars more. ) This video is well done.....and he is using a small drill like I believe others could use.....even behind wheelers or UTV's. AHEM! .
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Post by Foggy on Aug 8, 2021 15:56:41 GMT -6
Considering running some fertilizer in my seed mix. I need to use a filler with some of the small seeds.....and a starter fertilizer next to the seed would get it going. I read that Milorganite is good for this purpose.
I got stainless steel boxes and plastic cups on my new drill......so I may add a little of this fertilizer to my mixes. Any negative thoughts to what I am considering??
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Post by terrifictom on Aug 8, 2021 17:11:20 GMT -6
Considering running some fertilizer in my seed mix. I need to use a filler with some of the small seeds.....and a starter fertilizer next to the seed would get it going. I read that Milorganite is good for this purpose. I got stainless steel boxes and plastic cups on my new drill......so I may add a little of this fertilizer to my mixes. Any negative thoughts to what I am considering?? I saw a video on the drill you are purchasing and although the boxes are stainless the hardware inside box is not stainless. He used fertilizer and the hardware was rusting on his Tar River. Take the time and calibrate for the seed you are using and you shouldn't have to add filler. My rebuilt grain drill came out perfect when I planted my brassicas. The tar river has a agitator bar to keep the seed evenly distributed across the box I believe.
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Post by Foggy on Aug 8, 2021 18:35:19 GMT -6
Considering running some fertilizer in my seed mix. I need to use a filler with some of the small seeds.....and a starter fertilizer next to the seed would get it going. I read that Milorganite is good for this purpose. I got stainless steel boxes and plastic cups on my new drill......so I may add a little of this fertilizer to my mixes. Any negative thoughts to what I am considering?? I saw a video on the drill you are purchasing and although the boxes are stainless the hardware inside box is not stainless. He used fertilizer and the hardware was rusting on his Tar River. Take the time and calibrate for the seed you are using and you shouldn't have to add filler. My rebuilt grain drill came out perfect when I planted my brassicas. The tar river has a agitator bar to keep the seed evenly distributed across the box I believe. ^ Yep....I am unclear on that agitator bar....but I do not think it is an issue.....from one video I saw. I too saw that one guy was going to replace his bolts with SS bolts as they showed some corrosion. However that idiot let the fertilizer sit in the box for a few days. I dont thinK I would go to field fertilizers....but I may try some of that miloganite and see how that works. I dont think that is very corrosive. I'd like a little starter N down in the seed trench.....and from what I read the milogranite is good with seed contact. (?). Been reading on calibration....and bought a small electronic scale to help in that department. I think calibrating this stuff has to be a big challenge. I plan to plant all mixes with this drill right now. And most of my mixes go at about 25 lbs to the acre in the legume box.....and about 50 lbs of rye in the bigger box. That should be pretty easy to do.....for some people. . You are an inspiration Tom. Thanks! Been home allot with considerable "down-time" so I have been able to watch a considerable number of video's on this stuff and read quite a bit. New machines are always difficult. I printed the operator manual....and I picked up on an error these dumb asses have on their seed calibration charts....duh! I did read not to trust the charts on this machine. Now I know why.
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