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Post by smsmith on Aug 24, 2021 12:09:42 GMT -6
I think there was some funny stuff w/ the election but it's w/e at this point. Even w/ a fully approved vaccine, the safety study won't be completed for 2 years or more. I'll keep waiting on getting a shot unless it becomes impossible to do anything because of not having one. It's tough to trust the government (both sides) at this point on anything. I don't think there's any question that some funny stuff went on with the election. I don't think it was enough to cost Trump the election. The issue IMHO is quite simple....mail in ballots. Get rid of those and go back to what we had and we'll be just fine. I agree on not trusting either side of the governmental aisle...but where it gets kind of jumbled is when the guys who swear up and down that Trump won, but then also feel that the vaccines are the way for the government to control us. That in my mind makes Trump just as "bad" as the rest of the politicians. It seems to be two contradictory stances to me.
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Post by badgerfowl on Aug 24, 2021 12:13:27 GMT -6
I think there was some funny stuff w/ the election but it's w/e at this point. Even w/ a fully approved vaccine, the safety study won't be completed for 2 years or more. I'll keep waiting on getting a shot unless it becomes impossible to do anything because of not having one. It's tough to trust the government (both sides) at this point on anything. I don't think there's any question that some funny stuff went on with the election. I don't think it was enough to cost Trump the election. The issue IMHO is quite simple....mail in ballots. Get rid of those and go back to what we had and we'll be just fine. I agree on not trusting either side of the governmental aisle...but where it gets kind of jumbled is when the guys who swear up and down that Trump won, but then also feel that the vaccines are the way for the government to control us. That in my mind makes Trump just as "bad" as the rest of the politicians. It seems to be two contradictory stances to me. I don’t think you have to be all right all the time or all trump all the time. There would be no moderates if everyone was either all left or all right.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Aug 24, 2021 12:14:11 GMT -6
I respect everyone's opinions here, and there is no "for sure" proof that Trump won the election, but in my opinion, he won and won handily. The Dems are fighting the audits tooth and nail, why? All the down ballot (R) house member won their elections, that never happens when the (R)Prez loses. There is some evidence of cheating already exposed.
Arizona and Georgia will tell us much more in the next month. We will see what the audits say?
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Post by badgerfowl on Aug 24, 2021 12:15:37 GMT -6
And I agree on the BS mail- in voting. Get rid of that shit. Count the damn votes the night of the election. I think that would restore people’s doubts for the most part. ID required wouldn’t hurt either although I needed one to register to vote so I don’t know of places where you can get away with not having it. But I’m guessing all states are different.
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Post by badgerfowl on Aug 24, 2021 12:16:32 GMT -6
I respect everyone's opinions here, and there is no "for sure" proof that Trump won the election, but in my opinion, he won and won handily. The Dems are fighting the audits tooth and nail, why? All the down ballot (R) house member won their elections, that never happens when the (R)Prez loses. There is some evidence of cheating already exposed. Arizona and Georgia will tell us much more in the next month. We will see what the audits say? If the media even reports on it. Lot of distractions out there at coincidentally the right time.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 24, 2021 12:24:46 GMT -6
I don't think there's any question that some funny stuff went on with the election. I don't think it was enough to cost Trump the election. The issue IMHO is quite simple....mail in ballots. Get rid of those and go back to what we had and we'll be just fine. I agree on not trusting either side of the governmental aisle...but where it gets kind of jumbled is when the guys who swear up and down that Trump won, but then also feel that the vaccines are the way for the government to control us. That in my mind makes Trump just as "bad" as the rest of the politicians. It seems to be two contradictory stances to me. I don’t think you have to be all right all the time or all trump all the time. There would be no moderates if everyone was either all left or all right. I don't either, but it certainly seems within the Republican party you are either all Trump all the time or you aren't a "true Republican" right now. Which is kind of funny since Trump was a registered Democrat for some of his adult life. I'd like to get these fucking socialists out of office, but my fear is that unless the Republican party can come up with a new figure head we're going to get another 4 years of these assholes.
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Post by badgerfowl on Aug 24, 2021 12:33:33 GMT -6
I don’t think you have to be all right all the time or all trump all the time. There would be no moderates if everyone was either all left or all right. I don't either, but it certainly seems within the Republican party you are either all Trump all the time or you aren't a "true Republican" right now. Which is kind of funny since Trump was a registered Democrat for some of his adult life. I'd like to get these fucking socialists out of office, but my fear is that unless the Republican party can come up with a new figure head we're going to get another 4 years of these assholes. Ditto. DeSantis is a smoother Trump. As of now, he's the only shot I see.
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Post by Reagan on Aug 24, 2021 13:23:39 GMT -6
Out of curiosity, for you guys who believe Trump won and that there's a huge conspiracy to prevent him from winning...how do you reconcile the fact that the reason we have these vaccines is thanks to Donald Trump? I see at one of his recent rallies he was talking about how important it is to get vaccinated and he got booed. I voted for Trump both times. I don't believe he won the second time. I do believe Covid is real. I haven't supported the vaccines because they weren't fully FDA approved. Now that at least one of the vaccines that Trump successfully got to market thanks to Operation Warp Speed is fully FDA approved, I feel like it probably makes sense to go ahead and get it. That's where I stand. I’m not sure I understand the question. What’s the connection between vaccine and election. I think the election was stolen. Too much absentee, no ID, electronic voting machines for me to believe otherwise. Add to that massive rally’s and huge support for Trump when Biden couldn’t get 100 people to listen to him. Trump is / was pro vaccine. Seemed like a good answer to the rona. Pursuing it was the right thing to do. But after the censorship on all other treatment discussion, ignoring cheap treatments like ivermectin and the failure of the vaccine to actually work, I’m not sold on it. I won’t take it. FDA approved means nothing to me. It wasn’t tested and approved as drugs normally are. I don’t remember Trump ever demanding you get the shot before you can eat out, fly or do your normal day to day. I think he was against vaccine passports. Trump was a buffoon a lot of the time. But he did the right thing most of the time. That’s better than most politicians
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Post by smsmith on Aug 24, 2021 13:29:52 GMT -6
Out of curiosity, for you guys who believe Trump won and that there's a huge conspiracy to prevent him from winning...how do you reconcile the fact that the reason we have these vaccines is thanks to Donald Trump? I see at one of his recent rallies he was talking about how important it is to get vaccinated and he got booed. I voted for Trump both times. I don't believe he won the second time. I do believe Covid is real. I haven't supported the vaccines because they weren't fully FDA approved. Now that at least one of the vaccines that Trump successfully got to market thanks to Operation Warp Speed is fully FDA approved, I feel like it probably makes sense to go ahead and get it. That's where I stand. I’m not sure I understand the question. What’s the connection between vaccine and election. I think the election was stolen. Too much absentee, no ID, electronic voting machines for me to believe otherwise. Add to that massive rally’s and huge support for Trump when Biden couldn’t get 100 people to listen to him. Trump is / was pro vaccine. Seemed like a good answer to the rona. Pursuing it was the right thing to do. But after the censorship on all other treatment discussion, ignoring cheap treatments like ivermectin and the failure of the vaccine to actually work, I’m not sold on it. I won’t take it. FDA approved means nothing to me. It wasn’t tested and approved as drugs normally are. I don’t remember Trump ever demanding you get the shot before you can eat out, fly or do your normal day to day. I think he was against vaccine passports. Trump was a buffoon a lot of the time. But he did the right thing most of the time. That’s better than most politicians The election seems to be either you believe Trump won or you're not a "true" Republican. Trump is still encouraging people to get the vaccination. If you believe Trump won (with zero proof from any major news source, Newsmax included), why not believe in the vaccination?
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Post by badgerfowl on Aug 24, 2021 13:31:23 GMT -6
I can believe Trump likely won and not trust a rushed vaccine.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 24, 2021 13:32:04 GMT -6
I can believe Trump likely won and not trust a rushed vaccine. Even though Trump was who rushed the vaccine?
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Post by badgerfowl on Aug 24, 2021 13:50:29 GMT -6
I can believe Trump likely won and not trust a rushed vaccine. Even though Trump was who rushed the vaccine? Yup. I don't agree w/ Trump 100% of the time.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 24, 2021 13:53:05 GMT -6
Even though Trump was who rushed the vaccine? Yup. I don't agree w/ Trump 100% of the time. Fair enough What kind of irks me is that the vaccines should have been a huge plus for Trump if he had been re-elected. I tend to think a lot of people would have felt differently about them had he indeed won. I would have. It seems crazy that the fucktards currently in control said they'd never take Trump's vaccine, then they turn around and take credit for the exact same vaccines.
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Post by badgerfowl on Aug 24, 2021 14:02:27 GMT -6
Yup. I don't agree w/ Trump 100% of the time. Fair enough What kind of irks me is that the vaccines should have been a huge plus for Trump if he had been re-elected. I tend to think a lot of people would have felt differently about them had he indeed won. I would have. It seems crazy that the fucktards currently in control said they'd never take Trump's vaccine, then they turn around and take credit for the exact same vaccines. You are preaching to the choir. Politicians talk out of both their assholes and nothing ever happens to them. It's about power, money, and control. Once they get it, they hate to lose it. Term limits for congress would go a long ways too I'd imagine but good luck getting that passed. Even if Trump had won and came out w/ a rushed vaccine I'd still be hesitant as all hell reading the horror stories. In this instance, I don't care who is in office or developed it. I'm not putting that poison in my body until the absolute last minute, if ever. Too much unknown at this time w/ it, imo.
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Post by nhmountains on Aug 24, 2021 14:05:27 GMT -6
I don’t think you have to be all right all the time or all trump all the time. There would be no moderates if everyone was either all left or all right. I don't either, but it certainly seems within the Republican party you are either all Trump all the time or you aren't a "true Republican" right now. Which is kind of funny since Trump was a registered Democrat for some of his adult life. I'd like to get these fucking socialists out of office, but my fear is that unless the Republican party can come up with a new figure head we're going to get another 4 years of these assholes. I just look at NH. Our governor supposedly got 150,000 more votes then Trump and the republicans took back the house and senate here. Those ballots got switched somewhere. The way the numbers are 1 of 4 Democrats here had to vote for the republicans Sununu in order for the math to work. I’ve yet to find one democrat who voted for Sununu. Trump was way more popular then the governor. I saw 30 trump signs to any Biden signs. Somehow the numbers got switched. As for the other states. Arizona is fighting the audits like they have something to hide. All we ever heard during the Russia collusion was is he should have nothing to hide if he did nothing wrong. They went through every orifice of his body and his family to and didn’t find anything. Wisconsin had a 100,000 plus Biden drop in the middle of the night. No explanation since counting had stopped. Why can’t the powers that be look into where those votes came from? They should be able to pin point and recount those ballots. Georgia, there was plenty video of Ruby and her clan running ballots through multiple times after they kicked everyone out. You take those three states an switch them to Trump and he wins. Also, the senate races were probably screwed with in Arizona if they screwed with the presidential vote. If that was the case then the $6 trillion swamp bale out wouldn’t be going through now but, it’s going to.
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