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Post by Sandbur on Nov 11, 2021 8:00:02 GMT -6
I was just thinking about the time needed for deer to feel secure in an area. Could it take a few generations of deer to learn that a piece of property is secure at certain times of the year? Maybe ten years is a realistic time period. Ten years for those doe groups to know that this is a secure area, once the pressure starts. A similar time period might be needed for a wintering area where food and cover is available. I don't think it would take nearly that long. A new generation is born every year and they will seek out secure locations. During periods of high deer numbers I would think deer would move into a secure area fairly quickly. You are probably right with high numbers of deer and good reproduction. Maybe 5-6 years. |
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Post by kooch on Nov 11, 2021 9:48:00 GMT -6
I don't think it would take nearly that long. A new generation is born every year and they will seek out secure locations. During periods of high deer numbers I would think deer would move into a secure area fairly quickly. You are probably right with high numbers of deer and good reproduction. Maybe 5-6 years. I’ve had my place since 2016. 2017 was my first year hunting it. That year I saw one spike and killed it. I didn’t see any other tracks in the snow. Fast forward to this year and I’m covered up in does with twins. Half the twins have buttons. I’ve seen more bucks this year than any other but all small. Hoping with trigger restraint the spikes and forks will survive and turn into shooters someday. Still plenty to learn about hunting this place that time and years will hopefully provide. I had does bedding in the middle of the big new plot last night. That’s on track with my observations from local parcels. They seem to enjoy the open spaces here. Perhaps because it’s tougher for predators to sneak on them. |
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Post by terrifictom on Nov 11, 2021 10:16:27 GMT -6
You are probably right with high numbers of deer and good reproduction. Maybe 5-6 years. I’ve had my place since 2016. 2017 was my first year hunting it. That year I saw one spike and killed it. I didn’t see any other tracks in the snow. Fast forward to this year and I’m covered up in does with twins. Half the twins have buttons. I’ve seen more bucks this year than any other but all small. Hoping with trigger restraint the spikes and forks will survive and turn into shooters someday. Still plenty to learn about hunting this place that time and years will hopefully provide. I had does bedding in the middle of the big new plot last night. That’s on track with my observations from local parcels. They seem to enjoy the open spaces here. Perhaps because it’s tougher for predators to sneak on them. Something to remember is that the spikes and forks you are seeing on your land came from someplace else, so some one else in your area is practicing trigger restraint on does and fawns. |
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Post by badgerfowl on Nov 11, 2021 10:57:41 GMT -6
Yup those button bucks won’t be around if the does don’t get shot.
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Post by Catscratch on Nov 11, 2021 11:47:42 GMT -6
The more pressure there is in general the quicker they will take to secure locations. The less pressure there is in the area the less intrusion they'll tolerate. Does teach their babies how to survive, what locations to avoid, what locations to go to, and when. Those fawns then either prove to themselves that mom was right, or they get killed. I believe learned herd behavior can take quite some time to shift.
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Post by sd51555 on Nov 11, 2021 12:11:27 GMT -6
The more pressure there is in general the quicker they will take to secure locations. The less pressure there is in the area the less intrusion they'll tolerate. Does teach their babies how to survive, what locations to avoid, what locations to go to, and when. Those fawns then either prove to themselves that mom was right, or they get killed. I believe learned herd behavior can take quite some time to shift. It was fascinating to see the doe/fawn orientation before the start of gun season, and after. I had been out all summer working on stuff. Never went into 90% of my property, but I was running around the perimeter. The deer bedded off my southwest corner, either on the neighbor's or Biden's. I know the path the neighbors take to get out to Joe's land, and it goes right through where these deer would have bedded. I still saw deer every single time I sat the SPC, but after opening morning, those deer came from my safe zone. |
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Post by kooch on Nov 11, 2021 12:25:25 GMT -6
At least 75% of the deer we’ve seen came from the West. I’m set up in the east side of my property. The neighbors to my west set up mainly on the West side of theirs.
That leaves a big unmolested area between us.
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Post by smsmith on Nov 11, 2021 12:28:01 GMT -6
The more pressure there is in general the quicker they will take to secure locations. The less pressure there is in the area the less intrusion they'll tolerate. Does teach their babies how to survive, what locations to avoid, what locations to go to, and when. Those fawns then either prove to themselves that mom was right, or they get killed. I believe learned herd behavior can take quite some time to shift. Yep. It took all of 4-5 years to stop deer from leaving here in the winter. I don't know where they went, but like clockwork the first week of January they'd all pretty much disappear. Sometime the following April they'd start filtering back. Now, it appears many of the area deer migrate here in the winters...which is both kind of cool and kind of a PITA. It pretty much requires me to stay on my chainsaw game. |
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Post by Bwoods11 on Nov 11, 2021 12:43:31 GMT -6
The more pressure there is in general the quicker they will take to secure locations. The less pressure there is in the area the less intrusion they'll tolerate. Does teach their babies how to survive, what locations to avoid, what locations to go to, and when. Those fawns then either prove to themselves that mom was right, or they get killed. I believe learned herd behavior can take quite some time to shift. Yep. It took all of 4-5 years to stop deer from leaving here in the winter. I don't know where they went, but like clockwork the first week of January they'd all pretty much disappear. Sometime the following April they'd start filtering back. Now, it appears many of the area deer migrate here in the winters...which is both kind of cool and kind of a PITA. It pretty much requires me to stay on my chainsaw game. Deer used to leave a property that I own in Minnesota as well, and now with food and more cover they stick around. Good and bad, seem to make it their home, but they are hard on my trees in the winter. I left 2.5 acres of good beans and I expect there will be a lot more deer moving in soon to feast! |
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Post by Sandbur on Nov 11, 2021 13:18:32 GMT -6
The more pressure there is in general the quicker they will take to secure locations. The less pressure there is in the area the less intrusion they'll tolerate. Does teach their babies how to survive, what locations to avoid, what locations to go to, and when. Those fawns then either prove to themselves that mom was right, or they get killed. I believe learned herd behavior can take quite some time to shift. Yep. It took all of 4-5 years to stop deer from leaving here in the winter. I don't know where they went, but like clockwork the first week of January they'd all pretty much disappear. Sometime the following April they'd start filtering back. Now, it appears many of the area deer migrate here in the winters...which is both kind of cool and kind of a PITA. It pretty much requires me to stay on my chainsaw game. . I hope to drop some more popple this winter. It so good for the partridge , also. Yesterday, I heard one drumming in the old cut. Deer are hard on my trees when they winter here, but I see some let up in browsing pressure with the growing season. I am surrounded by crops and irrigation on 3 sides of me. |
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Post by sd51555 on Nov 11, 2021 13:47:45 GMT -6
Yep. It took all of 4-5 years to stop deer from leaving here in the winter. I don't know where they went, but like clockwork the first week of January they'd all pretty much disappear. Sometime the following April they'd start filtering back. Now, it appears many of the area deer migrate here in the winters...which is both kind of cool and kind of a PITA. It pretty much requires me to stay on my chainsaw game. . I hope to drop some more popple this winter. It so good for the partridge , also. Yesterday, I heard one drumming in the old cut. Deer are hard on my trees when they winter here, but I see some let up in browsing pressure with the growing season. I am surrounded by crops and irrigation on 3 sides of me. I've seen some hard browsed areas, and there is nothing spared it seems. I witnessed some crazy stuff the past couple years. I have diamond willow that exploded with regen, and it looks like the deer took a hedge clipper to it. I've seen the same on tag alder, and that's summer browsing. When we were out touring yesterday, I even found the deer have taken the tops off all the flax. That is a problem. That is supposed to be for the soil. They're gonna get fat on those oil seeds. |
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Post by Bwoods11 on Nov 11, 2021 21:02:12 GMT -6
Dusted off the Savage 220 and sat in the storm over a bean food plot. Swift Falls farm … this buck chased a couple does in front of my stand and I ended up taking him @ around 75 yds. Certainly not a big one, actually some ground shrinkage, but I tried CPR and he didn’t make it 😑. I think he’s a 3 yr old, big body/average rack . Tagged out in MN!   |
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Post by Sandbur on Nov 12, 2021 3:03:45 GMT -6
Dusted off the Savage 220 and sat in the storm over a bean food plot. Swift Falls farm … this buck chased a couple does in front of my stand and I ended up taking him @ around 75 yds. Certainly not a big one, actually some ground shrinkage, but I tried CPR and he didn’t make it 😑. I think he’s a 3 yr old, big body/average rack . Tagged out in MN! Congratulations on a nice deer! |
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Post by terrifictom on Nov 12, 2021 8:00:39 GMT -6
Dusted off the Savage 220 and sat in the storm over a bean food plot. Swift Falls farm … this buck chased a couple does in front of my stand and I ended up taking him @ around 75 yds. Certainly not a big one, actually some ground shrinkage, but I tried CPR and he didn’t make it 😑. I think he’s a 3 yr old, big body/average rack . Tagged out in MN! Congrats |
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Post by smsmith on Nov 12, 2021 8:07:06 GMT -6
Dusted off the Savage 220 and sat in the storm over a bean food plot. Swift Falls farm … this buck chased a couple does in front of my stand and I ended up taking him @ around 75 yds. Certainly not a big one, actually some ground shrinkage, but I tried CPR and he didn’t make it 😑. I think he’s a 3 yr old, big body/average rack . Tagged out in MN! Congrats on the buck. I almost bought a 220 a year ago or so, but then decided to wait and see if the statewide rifle deal is going to happen. I guess my Ithaca Deerslayer is getting it done, but those 220s seem to be the cream of the crop for slug guns. |
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