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Post by Bwoods11 on Dec 19, 2021 13:31:30 GMT -6
The Plants Nursery suggests Fireside Apple for our area. He really likes that variety—if you are going to add apple trees.
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Post by wklman on Dec 19, 2021 13:42:42 GMT -6
The Plants Nursery suggests Fireside Apple for our area. He really likes that variety—if you are going to add apple trees. I was thinking of getting a couple of bigger apple trees as well down the road. That'd be good to remember.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Dec 20, 2021 13:29:25 GMT -6
How many rows will you have on this screen?
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Post by nhmountains on Dec 20, 2021 18:26:28 GMT -6
I’d be more apt to go for 1-2’ trees and mulch heavily. Maybe plant a screen of Egyptian wheat or sorghum until they get larger. Overall I doubt you’d gain anything by planting larger trees because they’ll sit until their roots catch up.
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Post by wklman on Dec 20, 2021 21:13:04 GMT -6
How many rows will you have on this screen? Just 1.
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Post by wklman on Dec 20, 2021 21:23:51 GMT -6
I’d be more apt to go for 1-2’ trees and mulch heavily. Maybe plant a screen of Egyptian wheat or sorghum until they get larger. Overall I doubt you’d gain anything by planting larger trees because they’ll sit until their roots catch up. The high deer population I have will destroy smaller trees. I'd like to get ahead of them a bit with the bigger trees.
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Post by nhmountains on Dec 21, 2021 4:07:56 GMT -6
I’d be more apt to go for 1-2’ trees and mulch heavily. Maybe plant a screen of Egyptian wheat or sorghum until they get larger. Overall I doubt you’d gain anything by planting larger trees because they’ll sit until their roots catch up. The high deer population I have will destroy smaller trees. I'd like to get ahead of them a bit with the bigger trees. Cage them for 3 years. You’ll still be ahead of tge game after 5 years.
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Post by smsmith on Dec 21, 2021 8:14:21 GMT -6
I think it would be a decade or more for a 1-2' tree to catch up to a 7-8' B&B tree here. Assuming you keep the larger one watered anyway. I've got plenty of spruces that were planted as 6-12" bareroot or plugs starting in 2013. Very few are 7' or more.
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Post by nhmountains on Dec 21, 2021 11:54:39 GMT -6
I think it would be a decade or more for a 1-2' tree to catch up to a 7-8' B&B tree here. Assuming you keep the larger one watered anyway. I've got plenty of spruces that were planted as 6-12" bareroot or plugs starting in 2013. Very few are 7' or more. I thought he wasn’t going to water? If he’s going to water and dig those big holes then yeah, go with the big trees. As you said he’d better a tree spade or excavator to dig them. They’ll need to be big. I’ve got 3’ seedlings all over my property they weren’t noticeable last year. Evergreens grow quick here. Bare root oaks don’t grow so well though.
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Post by wklman on Dec 21, 2021 12:02:21 GMT -6
I think it would be a decade or more for a 1-2' tree to catch up to a 7-8' B&B tree here. Assuming you keep the larger one watered anyway. I've got plenty of spruces that were planted as 6-12" bareroot or plugs starting in 2013. Very few are 7' or more. I thought he wasn’t going to water? If he’s going to water and dig those big holes then yeah, go with the big trees. As you said he’d better a tree spade or excavator to dig them. They’ll need to be big. I’ve got 3’ seedlings all over my property they weren’t noticeable last year. Evergreens grow quick here. Bare root oaks don’t grow so well though. If I wait until I retire in 2023 and put trees in, then I will get the bigger ones and water. If I plant trees in 2022, I'll buy the smaller ones and not water since I won't be there in the summer. Still mulling it all over.
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Post by smsmith on Dec 21, 2021 12:07:09 GMT -6
I think it would be a decade or more for a 1-2' tree to catch up to a 7-8' B&B tree here. Assuming you keep the larger one watered anyway. I've got plenty of spruces that were planted as 6-12" bareroot or plugs starting in 2013. Very few are 7' or more. I thought he wasn’t going to water? If he’s going to water and dig those big holes then yeah, go with the big trees. As you said he’d better a tree spade or excavator to dig them. They’ll need to be big. I’ve got 3’ seedlings all over my property they weren’t noticeable last year. Evergreens grow quick here. Bare root oaks don’t grow so well though. If he's not going to water, then you're right. My neighbor and I planted over 1000 small evergreens this year. At least 90% of them died due to drought. I wouldn't waste my time and money on large trees (even those installed with a truck mounted tree spade) without the ability to water. My neighbor went and bought a bunch of hose and a tower sprinkler so he's prepared for next year. White, jack, and red pines grew very quickly on my folks' old place, almost to the point of being weedy. They grow much more slowly here. Historically, there were some natural conifer groves around here but most of the area was covered with deciduous trees and shrubs (and prairie grasses). Get north of here around an hour, and there were many more evergreens (and lighter soils with more acidity). Get south of here 45 minutes or so and it was mainly tall grass prairie. Wade's place is smack dab in what was Eastern Deciduous Forest files.dnr.state.mn.us/eco/mcbs/natural_vegetation_of_mn.pdf
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Post by nhmountains on Dec 21, 2021 12:55:47 GMT -6
I thought he wasn’t going to water? If he’s going to water and dig those big holes then yeah, go with the big trees. As you said he’d better a tree spade or excavator to dig them. They’ll need to be big. I’ve got 3’ seedlings all over my property they weren’t noticeable last year. Evergreens grow quick here. Bare root oaks don’t grow so well though. If he's not going to water, then you're right. My neighbor and I planted over 1000 small evergreens this year. At least 90% of them died due to drought. I wouldn't waste my time and money on large trees (even those installed with a truck mounted tree spade) without the ability to water. My neighbor went and bought a bunch of hose and a tower sprinkler so he's prepared for next year. White, jack, and red pines grew very quickly on my folks' old place, almost to the point of being weedy. They grow much more slowly here. Historically, there were some natural conifer groves around here but most of the area was covered with deciduous trees and shrubs (and prairie grasses). Get north of here around an hour, and there were many more evergreens (and lighter soils with more acidity). Get south of here 45 minutes or so and it was mainly tall grass prairie. Wade's place is smack dab in what was Eastern Deciduous Forest files.dnr.state.mn.us/eco/mcbs/natural_vegetation_of_mn.pdfI’m still amazed at the variety of different soils across this country.
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Post by nhmountains on Dec 21, 2021 12:56:23 GMT -6
I thought he wasn’t going to water? If he’s going to water and dig those big holes then yeah, go with the big trees. As you said he’d better a tree spade or excavator to dig them. They’ll need to be big. I’ve got 3’ seedlings all over my property they weren’t noticeable last year. Evergreens grow quick here. Bare root oaks don’t grow so well though. If I wait until I retire in 2023 and put trees in, then I will get the bigger ones and water. If I plant trees in 2022, I'll buy the smaller ones and not water since I won't be there in the summer. Still mulling it all over. But the best thing is you’re retiring in 2023. That’s awesome.
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Post by smsmith on Dec 21, 2021 13:17:15 GMT -6
If he's not going to water, then you're right. My neighbor and I planted over 1000 small evergreens this year. At least 90% of them died due to drought. I wouldn't waste my time and money on large trees (even those installed with a truck mounted tree spade) without the ability to water. My neighbor went and bought a bunch of hose and a tower sprinkler so he's prepared for next year. White, jack, and red pines grew very quickly on my folks' old place, almost to the point of being weedy. They grow much more slowly here. Historically, there were some natural conifer groves around here but most of the area was covered with deciduous trees and shrubs (and prairie grasses). Get north of here around an hour, and there were many more evergreens (and lighter soils with more acidity). Get south of here 45 minutes or so and it was mainly tall grass prairie. Wade's place is smack dab in what was Eastern Deciduous Forest files.dnr.state.mn.us/eco/mcbs/natural_vegetation_of_mn.pdfI’m still amazed at the variety of different soils across this country. Here's a soil survey for my county from 1989. 259 pages, from one county... www.nrcs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_MANUSCRIPTS/minnesota/MN153/0/Todd_MN.pdf
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Post by Sandbur on Dec 21, 2021 16:21:52 GMT -6
I thought he wasn’t going to water? If he’s going to water and dig those big holes then yeah, go with the big trees. As you said he’d better a tree spade or excavator to dig them. They’ll need to be big. I’ve got 3’ seedlings all over my property they weren’t noticeable last year. Evergreens grow quick here. Bare root oaks don’t grow so well though. If he's not going to water, then you're right. My neighbor and I planted over 1000 small evergreens this year. At least 90% of them died due to drought. I wouldn't waste my time and money on large trees (even those installed with a truck mounted tree spade) without the ability to water. My neighbor went and bought a bunch of hose and a tower sprinkler so he's prepared for next year. White, jack, and red pines grew very quickly on my folks' old place, almost to the point of being weedy. They grow much more slowly here. Historically, there were some natural conifer groves around here but most of the area was covered with deciduous trees and shrubs (and prairie grasses). Get north of here around an hour, and there were many more evergreens (and lighter soils with more acidity). Get south of here 45 minutes or so and it was mainly tall grass prairie. Wade's place is smack dab in what was Eastern Deciduous Forest files.dnr.state.mn.us/eco/mcbs/natural_vegetation_of_mn.pdf Per the map, I am in that same area by a few miles. I was under the impression that the Anoka Sand Plain was short grass prairie. It probably varied with rainfall and fire.
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