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Post by thetrooper on Dec 23, 2021 10:13:38 GMT -6
What is the most durable pine tree someone can plant? I have a small section of road that i need to screen. It is on the side of a very steep slope so it is well drained soil. I wont be able to tend to these as well as i would like so I need a tough guy. I'm already planting red cedars on the top and the deer dont mess with those, but I've had trouble with spruce getting eaten by deer. There's really only a handful of pine trees in the whole area and I dont usually mess with conifers besides cedars. I was surprised to see our deer eating spruce trees so what is the best as far as deer resistance?
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Post by smsmith on Dec 23, 2021 10:20:51 GMT -6
Deer are weird. What they won't touch in one area, they'll devour in another. I could plant all the red pines I wanted in central WI and deer never touched them. Here, they get browsed. If I could grow them, I'd plant a shitload of pitlolly pines. They grow very quickly in the mid south. ohiodnr.gov/wps/portal/gov/odnr/discover-and-learn/plants-trees/needle-like-leaves/pitlolly-pine-pinus-rigida-x-taedaIgnore that this ^^^ says they'll grow in zone 4. They won't survive winters. They didn't survive winters in 5a... Another option worth looking at are Green Giant arborvitaes. They also should do well in OH. Some people say the deer leave them alone. They were browsed heavily at my old location in southcentral WI, so your results may vary.
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Post by thetrooper on Dec 23, 2021 11:00:35 GMT -6
Deer are weird. What they won't touch in one area, they'll devour in another. I could plant all the red pines I wanted in central WI and deer never touched them. Here, they get browsed. If I could grow them, I'd plant a shitload of pitlolly pines. They grow very quickly in the mid south. ohiodnr.gov/wps/portal/gov/odnr/discover-and-learn/plants-trees/needle-like-leaves/pitlolly-pine-pinus-rigida-x-taedaIgnore that this ^^^ says they'll grow in zone 4. They won't survive winters. They didn't survive winters in 5a... Another option worth looking at are Green Giant arborvitaes. They also should do well in OH. Some people say the deer leave them alone. They were browsed heavily at my old location in southcentral WI, so your results may vary. I planted 200 of those green giants thinking it would be like a red cedar on steroids. Literally every one was plucked out I was so pissed haha.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Dec 23, 2021 11:01:02 GMT -6
Scotch pine are tough, but they do need cage in most cases. I am not sure how they will do in your area?
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Post by smsmith on Dec 23, 2021 11:07:39 GMT -6
Scotch pine are tough, but they do need cage in most cases. I am not sure how they will do in your area? They are tough. There are a few different strains of Scotch. I always buy "French Highland". In more southern areas you may want to look for Spanish or Macedonian strains.
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Post by Tooln on Dec 23, 2021 12:43:53 GMT -6
What is the most durable pine tree someone can plant? I have a small section of road that i need to screen. It is on the side of a very steep slope so it is well drained soil. I wont be able to tend to these as well as i would like so I need a tough guy. I'm already planting red cedars on the top and the deer dont mess with those, but I've had trouble with spruce getting eaten by deer. There's really only a handful of pine trees in the whole area and I dont usually mess with conifers besides cedars. I was surprised to see our deer eating spruce trees so what is the best as far as deer resistance? When I had my 40 I clear cut 2.5 acres and put in Norway spruce. Had almost 100% survival and deer didn't browse them.
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Post by smsmith on Dec 23, 2021 12:55:57 GMT -6
What is the most durable pine tree someone can plant? I have a small section of road that i need to screen. It is on the side of a very steep slope so it is well drained soil. I wont be able to tend to these as well as i would like so I need a tough guy. I'm already planting red cedars on the top and the deer dont mess with those, but I've had trouble with spruce getting eaten by deer. There's really only a handful of pine trees in the whole area and I dont usually mess with conifers besides cedars. I was surprised to see our deer eating spruce trees so what is the best as far as deer resistance? When I had my 40 I clear cut 2.5 acres and put in Norway spruce. Had almost 100% survival and deer didn't browse them. I had limited browsing on my Norways in WI. Here, they get eaten to nubs if they're near food or bedding, and the friggin' bunnies love eating them too. I'm going to all white and Black Hills spruce from now on.
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Post by Reagan on Dec 23, 2021 13:34:40 GMT -6
A forester friend of mine says pit lolly in Ohio. I have a few hundred coming this spring. It will be my first time planting them.
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Post by loshonhora on Dec 23, 2021 16:10:25 GMT -6
I have a theory that if you don't have a bunch of pine or spruce growing in the area that you want to plant them, the deer will eat the crap out of them since they're a novelty. In the outer suburbs where I live, and where there are a ton of ornamental pines and spruce, they don't touch them except for the occasional rub. On our farm, where there are no pine or spruce for miles, they eat every one that isn't caged.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Dec 23, 2021 17:04:51 GMT -6
I guess I lose track over time as to what type of pine I planted, but Scotch, Norway, White & Ponderosa have all survived. Norway maybe best survival, but Scotch is the toughest tree and maybe the most diverse potential.
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Post by thetrooper on Dec 23, 2021 17:26:56 GMT -6
I have a theory that if you don't have a bunch of pine or spruce growing in the area that you want to plant them, the deer will eat the crap out of them since they're a novelty. In the outer suburbs where I live, and where there are a ton of ornamental pines and spruce, they don't touch them except for the occasional rub. On our farm, where there are no pine or spruce for miles, they eat every one that isn't caged. How long do you usually cage them? And what type of cage do you use?
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Post by loshonhora on Dec 25, 2021 6:31:26 GMT -6
I can't answer how long to leave the cages as I've only started caging them. I've (sporadically) planted hundreds of Norway spruce seedlings over the years and pretty much all have been killed, so I'd pretty much given up. Last spring, I was able to find about 40 scattered survivors that got munched down, but managed to survive. None were over 1 1/2'. I put down 4' squares of woven landscape fabric and caged them with ~3-4' diameter, 4' tall field fence staked down with 2 steel electric fence posts per cage. I tossed a bunch of leaves down over the fabric as mulch since we had big piles around the yard from the previous fall.
My plan going forward is to plant about 50 seedlings every spring in my back yard at home, then transplant to our farm about 10 per weekend when they get about 18-24" tall and have nice roots. Still a manageable size to move without needing a huge root ball. I'll cage them as I transplant them.
Field fence has been reasonably priced so far (FJB), and I use it for fruit tree cages too, but usually use t-posts for those. I make those about 5-6' in diameter though. So far, it's been enough to keep the deer off my apples and pears.
I figure I'll remove the cages when they start growing through the wires. At that point, if some get rubbed, oh well.
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Post by nhmountains on Dec 25, 2021 6:49:06 GMT -6
I think I’ve seen 2-3 white pine in my lifetime be browsed here in New Hampshire but, maples and any uncared apples get hit eventually. I have found two young white cedar in the 6’ range that managed to grow because they were in the middle of a few blowdowns. As with apples, I’d recommend planting just a few and take care of them then 50 and have them destroyed.
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Post by nhmountains on Dec 25, 2021 6:51:49 GMT -6
What is the most durable pine tree someone can plant? I have a small section of road that i need to screen. It is on the side of a very steep slope so it is well drained soil. I wont be able to tend to these as well as i would like so I need a tough guy. I'm already planting red cedars on the top and the deer dont mess with those, but I've had trouble with spruce getting eaten by deer. There's really only a handful of pine trees in the whole area and I dont usually mess with conifers besides cedars. I was surprised to see our deer eating spruce trees so what is the best as far as deer resistance? Do you have a photo of this location?
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Post by smsmith on Dec 25, 2021 10:04:58 GMT -6
I guess I lose track over time as to what type of pine I planted, but Scotch, Norway, White & Ponderosa have all survived. Norway maybe best survival, but Scotch is the toughest tree and maybe the most diverse potential. Do you have any Ponderosas that have gotten to be 8-10' tall yet? I think they are really cool looking pines. I've planted a few hundred here, but none are much over 3' tall.
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