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Post by Bwoods11 on Jan 18, 2022 10:57:55 GMT -6
When it comes to deer, we are as dumb as they come.
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Post by batman on Jan 18, 2022 11:04:57 GMT -6
I can't imagine why the MDHA which is mostly gun hunters, would support this? Do they really want to shoot that many more deer and increase the pressure even more on public land? It is never ending that they are trying to add more seasons, different weapons. If anything the MDHA should be pushing very hard to cut back on the seasons and weapons. You can hunt from Sept 17-Dec 31 and of those days (29 are gun season days). This is going to be capitulation for me, if they pass this. I dont think they support it. They are forced into the discussion every year by the crossbow lobby.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Jan 18, 2022 11:12:55 GMT -6
They could just say no? Well I hope they shut it down. I will call Craig and at least voice an opinion.
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Post by Catscratch on Jan 18, 2022 11:14:52 GMT -6
NH doesn’t allow them unless there’s a medical exception. The guys I know that use them say they can shoot out to 60-70 yards. They don’t practice much either because they’re using the scopes. I’d worry about more wounded deer. Maybe a small percentage increase in wounded deer the first few years. After that, I'd expect users to become more efficient and deadly. You don't need to practice much with a crossbow. Get it dialed in, use a rest, and limit yourself to those shots you know you can make every time. Pretty much like what every vertical bow and firearm user with any hunting ethics do. I don't practice much with my slug gun, but it sure is deadly when I use it ethically. Crossbows are coming to most every state's archery season sooner or later. The fight was lost years ago.Money talks. It was Tenpoint who was taking legislators out to lunch every day before they voted full inclusion. I own a crossbow. I'm no better shot with it than I am with my compound and have no extended range. But, I spent 30+ years practicing with my compound. If not for all that practice time, picking both up for the first time, the crossbow is much easier to learn. We are a 1 buck state. The problem in management comes from outfitters putting 2 guys a week per 80 acres on corn piles for the duration of season (mid Sept through Dec 31st). Many wouldn't be there during the rut without crossbows. Difficult for a buck to get past 2yrs old. Combine all that with the state's "meet demand" tag system and it's been hard on the herd. Still a great place to hunt, but certainly on the decline.
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Post by batman on Jan 18, 2022 11:27:43 GMT -6
They could just say no? Well I hope they shut it down. I will call Craig and at least voice an opinion. Dont call Craig. Call the local chapters that decide fate of resolutions. Craigs got 4 or 5 mouths saying different things to different people. In the end their corp board does whatever it wants. Its not a true member driven org.
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 18, 2022 11:52:22 GMT -6
I would agree that you should talk to Chapter members. They will be voting on these resolutions.
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Post by smsmith on Jan 18, 2022 11:52:38 GMT -6
Maybe a small percentage increase in wounded deer the first few years. After that, I'd expect users to become more efficient and deadly. You don't need to practice much with a crossbow. Get it dialed in, use a rest, and limit yourself to those shots you know you can make every time. Pretty much like what every vertical bow and firearm user with any hunting ethics do. I don't practice much with my slug gun, but it sure is deadly when I use it ethically. Crossbows are coming to most every state's archery season sooner or later. The fight was lost years ago.Money talks. It was Tenpoint who was taking legislators out to lunch every day before they voted full inclusion. I own a crossbow. I'm no better shot with it than I am with my compound and have no extended range. But, I spent 30+ years practicing with my compound. If not for all that practice time, picking both up for the first time, the crossbow is much easier to learn. We are a 1 buck state. The problem in management comes from outfitters putting 2 guys a week per 80 acres on corn piles for the duration of season (mid Sept through Dec 31st). Many wouldn't be there during the rut without crossbows. Difficult for a buck to get past 2yrs old. Combine all that with the state's "meet demand" tag system and it's been hard on the herd. Still a great place to hunt, but certainly on the decline. WI Bowhunter's Association fought crossbow inclusion hard. A lot of us wrote letters to outdoor publications, contacted our elected reps, went to meetings, etc....and WI now has full crossbow inclusion in the general archery season. If it happened there, it will happen everywhere the crossbow industry targets.
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Post by batman on Jan 18, 2022 12:03:48 GMT -6
WI Bowhunter's Association fought crossbow inclusion hard. A lot of us wrote letters to outdoor publications, contacted our elected reps, went to meetings, etc....and WI now has full crossbow inclusion in the general archery season. If it happened there, it will happen everywhere the crossbow industry targets. Did the WI Bowhunters pull some shady back door move on their elected when this went down?
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Post by Catscratch on Jan 18, 2022 12:05:09 GMT -6
Money talks. It was Tenpoint who was taking legislators out to lunch every day before they voted full inclusion. I own a crossbow. I'm no better shot with it than I am with my compound and have no extended range. But, I spent 30+ years practicing with my compound. If not for all that practice time, picking both up for the first time, the crossbow is much easier to learn. We are a 1 buck state. The problem in management comes from outfitters putting 2 guys a week per 80 acres on corn piles for the duration of season (mid Sept through Dec 31st). Many wouldn't be there during the rut without crossbows. Difficult for a buck to get past 2yrs old. Combine all that with the state's "meet demand" tag system and it's been hard on the herd. Still a great place to hunt, but certainly on the decline. WI Bowhunter's Association fought crossbow inclusion hard. A lot of us wrote letters to outdoor publications, contacted our elected reps, went to meetings, etc....and WI now has full crossbow inclusion in the general archery season. If it happened there, it will happen everywhere the crossbow industry targets. I kept track of the WI thing. They kept good data of harvests per weapon and season if I remember right. If memory serves... total numbers of deer harvested didn't go up but there was a significant shift from vertical bow harvest to crossbow harvest, and a smaller shift from guns to crossbows. Not a huge deal if your only goal as a state is to harvest a certain number of deer. Lends towards major problems if age structure is at all important.
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Post by smsmith on Jan 18, 2022 12:12:21 GMT -6
WI Bowhunter's Association fought crossbow inclusion hard. A lot of us wrote letters to outdoor publications, contacted our elected reps, went to meetings, etc....and WI now has full crossbow inclusion in the general archery season. If it happened there, it will happen everywhere the crossbow industry targets. I kept track of the WI thing. They kept good data of harvests per weapon and season if I remember right. If memory serves... total numbers of deer harvested didn't go up but there was a significant shift from vertical bow harvest to crossbow harvest, and a smaller shift from guns to crossbows. Not a huge deal if your only goal as a state is to harvest a certain number of deer. Lends towards major problems if age structure is at all important. Yep. WI has never been a "trophy management" state. That said, WI does crank out huge numbers of very nice bucks every year. That's made much easier in a state where the habitat is pretty darn good in almost the entire state
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Post by smsmith on Jan 18, 2022 12:13:24 GMT -6
WI Bowhunter's Association fought crossbow inclusion hard. A lot of us wrote letters to outdoor publications, contacted our elected reps, went to meetings, etc....and WI now has full crossbow inclusion in the general archery season. If it happened there, it will happen everywhere the crossbow industry targets. Did the WI Bowhunters pull some shady back door move on their elected when this went down? Don't know. I moved in '12 and the legislation got passed in '13 or '14 as I recall.
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Post by benmnwi on Jan 18, 2022 12:19:06 GMT -6
I like the way MN does it now - young hunters can use vertical bows and older guys can use crossbows if they want. My dad hunts with a crossbow and spends a ton of time and gets a lot of exercise that he probably wouldn't otherwise get without a crossbow season. He kills a buck with his crossbow every year.
Crossbows and legal baiting in WI kills a lot of deer even in the northern areas with low deer numbers to start with. I don't blame anyone for using legal methods, but there are almost as many deer killed with bows/crossbows as rifles in some areas that probably don't need the extra pressure on the herd. If my kids want to use a crossbow in WI when they get older I'll probably buy them one though since it's a great way to bag a deer in early season when the weather is nice.
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Post by Tooln on Jan 18, 2022 15:10:52 GMT -6
I switched to a xbow a few years ago. My shoulders couldn't take a regular bow any longer for me to be proficient.
Edit: When I dislocated my elbow it got even worse, range of motion is fine but the strength just isn't there.
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 18, 2022 18:23:43 GMT -6
I switched to a xbow a few years ago. My shoulders couldn't take a regular bow any longer for me to be proficient. Same thing here.
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Post by terrifictom on Jan 18, 2022 19:14:28 GMT -6
I switched to a xbow a few years ago. My shoulders couldn't take a regular bow any longer for me to be proficient. Same thing here. Same here. In Wisconsin the deer kill has remained steady just a change in what weapon a hunter is using. I would think that with Minnesota's gun season during the rut and a 1 buck per person that adding crossbows to archery season will not change numbers much. A lot of people have the notion that all crossbow hunters kill deer at long range and that is just not the case.
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