Coda1
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Post by Coda1 on Feb 17, 2022 21:46:24 GMT -6
Crossbows during the archery season doesn't make any sense. I probably would have killed three times as many deer if I had a crossbow. I can often get within bow range of a deer but unable to draw without being spotted. I've hunted a lot from the ground but even in a stand I've been spotted quite a few times. I disagreed with scopes on muzzle loaders also. These were supposed to be primitive weapons seasons.
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Post by caveman on Feb 18, 2022 5:13:42 GMT -6
Crossbows during the archery season doesn't make any sense. I probably would have killed three times as many deer if I had a crossbow. I can often get within bow range of a deer but unable to draw without being spotted. I've hunted a lot from the ground but even in a stand I've been spotted quite a few times. I disagreed with scopes on muzzle loaders also. These were supposed to be primitive weapons seasons. I see archery season at this time as the way to hunt where rifles are not allowed due to safety concerns with too many people or houses nearby. In that sense, it makes sense to include crossbows with archery season to help increase the harvest.
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Post by Sandbur on Feb 18, 2022 5:44:41 GMT -6
For each area, our choice on this matter depends on if the harvest needs to be increased or not.
For those with a physical problem, it is very easy to get a disability crossbow permit. Otherwise, wait until age 60 , like the present law.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Feb 18, 2022 10:56:09 GMT -6
Crossbows during the archery season doesn't make any sense. I probably would have killed three times as many deer if I had a crossbow. I can often get within bow range of a deer but unable to draw without being spotted. I've hunted a lot from the ground but even in a stand I've been spotted quite a few times. I disagreed with scopes on muzzle loaders also. These were supposed to be primitive weapons seasons. I see archery season at this time as the way to hunt where rifles are not allowed due to safety concerns with too many people or houses nearby. In that sense, it makes sense to include crossbows with archery season to help increase the harvest. The archery season in MN, is the one season that is relaxing and not insane pressure. Crossbows would change that. I am against any new seasons in MN.
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Post by badgerfowl on Feb 18, 2022 11:01:35 GMT -6
I don't think it would change all that much. I don't notice any difference in WI. I think it's more people switching to crossbows from vertical bows than actually taking up the sport anew.
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ruttin1
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Post by ruttin1 on Feb 18, 2022 12:47:28 GMT -6
I don't think it would change all that much. I don't notice any difference in WI. I think it's more people switching to crossbows from vertical bows than actually taking up the sport anew. Agreed
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Post by caveman on Feb 18, 2022 13:27:09 GMT -6
I see archery season at this time as the way to hunt where rifles are not allowed due to safety concerns with too many people or houses nearby. In that sense, it makes sense to include crossbows with archery season to help increase the harvest. The archery season in MN, is the one season that is relaxing and not insane pressure. Crossbows would change that. I am against any new seasons in MN. How do you figure Muzzleloader season is insane pressure?
I disagree that archery season is relaxing and not insane pressure. The public land I hunt that allows gun hunting already has more trucks parked using it the week before regular season than actually during regular season.
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Post by benmnwi on Feb 18, 2022 13:45:12 GMT -6
I'm fine with the current over 60 crossbow rule, but I really don't think it needs to expand beyond that. Some of the new crossbows are more accurate than many shotguns.
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Post by badgerfowl on Feb 18, 2022 13:58:40 GMT -6
I'm fine with the current over 60 crossbow rule, but I really don't think it needs to expand beyond that. Some of the new crossbows are more accurate than many shotguns. You still have to make the shot. For some people it's probably no big deal but there's plenty out there that take bad shots even with a cross bow. That'll never change regardless of weapon.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Feb 18, 2022 14:13:36 GMT -6
Caveman.. depends on location. If a guy wants to hunt public during the weekend of Muzzy. It’s busy in my area. Slug season is nuts, archery can be busy in early November. Minnesota is not in need of extra seasons to kill deer.
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Post by caveman on Feb 18, 2022 14:21:58 GMT -6
Caveman.. depends on location. If a guy wants to hunt public during the weekend of Muzzy. It’s busy in my area. Slug season is nuts, archery can be busy in early November. Minnesota is not in need of extra seasons to kill deer. It would still depend on location if crossbows were allowed. Hunter numbers are not increasing. You may not like them shifting to archery season, but a dead deer is a dead deer. If it makes the hunt more enjoyable for more people than it should be embraced just like archery season first was.
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Post by benmnwi on Feb 18, 2022 14:44:19 GMT -6
I'm fine with the current over 60 crossbow rule, but I really don't think it needs to expand beyond that. Some of the new crossbows are more accurate than many shotguns. You still have to make the shot. For some people it's probably no big deal but there's plenty out there that take bad shots even with a cross bow. That'll never change regardless of weapon. You have a valid point that the hunter still has to make the shot, but it is easier to make a shot with a crossbow than a vertical bow. I think the season length and weapon efficiency should be tied together. If the weapons available make it easier to kill deer then the season should be shorter. If the weapons are less accurate then the seasons can be longer. In MN we have had issues with low deer numbers in the recent past. Every time we add seasons that make it easier to kill deer it increases the chance that we will over-harvest deer and end up in that crappy position again. With the practically unlimited CWD seasons I think some areas of the state are one bad winter away from a dramatically smaller deer herd. I do agree that the deer don't care whether they are killed with a gun or bow and the parts of the state that only allow 1 buck to be killed per year will be impacted less than the CWD areas that allow a buck to be killed with each weapon type per year.
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Post by badgerfowl on Feb 18, 2022 15:02:29 GMT -6
Personally I think they are clunky as hell and find it easier to just grab the vertical bow and have at it. But I hunt out of ladder stands so a crossbow might not be the easiest when shots can come from any direction. Out of a blind over a plot, sure, a crossbow could be an advantage. But too many shoot at moving deer w/ crossbows at distances they shouldn't shoot at. I don't think the harvest is any greater in WI w/ the addition of crossbows, just which weapon took the deer. Archery/Crossbow harvest in 2020 was 15,000 more than 2021, roughly. Trend graph. Crossbow harvest increasing but archery decreasing. dnr.wi.gov/wideermetrics/DeerStats.aspxScroll to bottom for weapon specific numbers.
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Post by wklman on Feb 18, 2022 15:57:50 GMT -6
Minnesota has the perfect recipe for killing the maximum amount of deer as possible. A 4 month bow season, which starts during the summer feeding pattern, A rifle season during the high part of the rut, and a muzzleloader season when deer are back on the feed wagon seeking food for the winter.
The only thing I'd back for crossbow is taking a week of muzzleloader out and replacing it with a crossbow season. That's it. 2 weeks of muzzleloader is way too much. Shit, I can hit a 4" circle at 200 yards with mine. There's no need for basically another 2 week rifle season.
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Post by badgerfowl on Feb 18, 2022 16:08:28 GMT -6
Minnesota has the perfect recipe for killing the maximum amount of deer as possible. A 4 month bow season, which starts during the summer feeding pattern, A rifle season during the high part of the rut, and a muzzleloader season when deer are back on the feed wagon seeking food for the winter. The only thing I'd back for crossbow is taking a week of muzzleloader out and replacing it with a crossbow season. That's it. 2 weeks of muzzleloader is way too much. Shit, I can hit a 4" circle at 200 yards with mine. There's no need for basically another 2 week rifle season. Are you guys worried about buck harvest or just overall harvest? Because if it's buck harvest and you only get 1 tag per year who really cares what you shoot it with. If it's overall, then the appropriate measure is # of tags issued in controlling the harvest. Again, who cares what weapon is used. Quit issuing so many tags if that's the issue. I know that'll never happen probably but at least on this side of the river it's reviewed yearly and changes are made. I know our county went from 4 free tags w/ each license a year ago to 2 this past year. And we still have a shit load of deer. Maybe that's why the harvest numbers dropped this past year. Less tags to be filled.
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