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Post by Sandbur on Jun 5, 2022 4:41:19 GMT -6
^ Thats what I was thinking, why not plant all in one step during doe stage of the rye? Problem is the rye will not be at doe stage until late June which leaves little forage in June/July and not allot of growing days for the mix of summer release. An additional month in spring would be very helpful for this mix. I would wonder if crimping 20 days after planting will smother what you planted 20 days ago. Here is what is in summer release: it does not indicate the percentage of each. Laredo Forage Soybeans, Cowpeas (Iron & Clay), Mung Beans, Balady Berseem Clover, Grain sorghum, Smart Radish, Trophy Rapeseed, Black Oil Sunflower, Mancan Buckwheat Your learning something now. I wish I could do it all in one pass.....but the jump start while I got good moisture in the ground trumps crimping now. Gonna wait at least two weeks and the underlying crop (summer release) should pop thru that mulch when I lay that rye down. I am equipped to crimp and drill at the same time.....but this year it's not the best thing to do. Doing the double operation would be optimal....but planting green and roller crimping later is the "new thing". Also operating one of these things at a time in small plots can be a challenge.....two is likely gonna make some operating issues. Are you going to terminate what you are planting now during this summer or fall? If so, Is our growing season long enough as compared to Grant Woods area? I have always joked that spring planting runs until July 3. We take the 4th off and fall planting begins July 5.  . Almost true. |
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Post by Foggy on Jun 7, 2022 17:14:31 GMT -6
So today I planted some more buckwheat on a few trails that will become food plot / shooting lane extensions by fall. All told....I got about 10 acres planted with warm season crops....which will diminish or be terminated in August or so. Why?.....so I can build more biomass and get more roots in the ground to scavage. the nutrients and preserve moisture while keeping weeds at bay. I did hook up my crimper today and tho my rye is not ready to crimp for about two weeks....I gave it a test run. It sure mashes that stalk on the rye stems nd just rolls past more to the clovers that are in the plots. Super. I dont need to mow or damage that clover I got spreading thru the plots. Here are a few pics of what I am doing with the crimper. (pics will be up in a few minutes.....hang tight.)   |
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Post by Foggy on Jun 7, 2022 17:19:12 GMT -6
The rye I drilled my warm season mix into last week has bounced back....after running my tractor and drill through it. It will be ready to crimp in about two weeks?.....as soon as the rye seed reaches the dough stage. Here is what those plots of rye look like a few days after planting into them. Incredible the way that rye stands back up!   |
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Post by Foggy on Jun 7, 2022 17:25:15 GMT -6
After crimping and flattening that rye shown above....It will provide a uniform mulch over the soil to provide amor to the soil - keeping roots in the ground.....releasing the nitrogen it has scavenged from the soil while it was alove....and continue to prevent weeds from taking over my plots.....as the new crops take hold. Beautiful! These pics show rye that is about 3 feet high and perhaps 1/2 of the volume it will become in the next two or three weeks. I want all the volume (biomass) I can achieve with this rye crop....therefore I will terminate as late as possible.....yet I do NOT want it going to seed.....or it will become too much for my underlying crops to overcome. Exciting stuff. |
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Post by Freeborn on Jun 7, 2022 18:02:39 GMT -6
So today I planted some more buckwheat on a few trails that will become food plot / shooting lane extensions by fall. All told....I got about 10 acres planted with warm season crops....which will diminish or be terminated in August or so. Why?.....so I can build more biomass and get more roots in the ground to scavage. the nutrients and preserve moisture while keeping weeds at bay. I did hook up my crimper today and tho my rye is not ready to crimp for about two weeks....I gave it a test run. It sure mashes that stalk on the rye stems nd just rolls past more to the clovers that are in the plots. Super. I dont need to mow or damage that clover I got spreading thru the plots. Here are a few pics of what I am doing with the crimper. (pics will be up in a few minutes.....hang tight.) Did you buy a crimper for the 3pt or can that also be configured on the loader? Looks like a nice unit, should work pretty slick. I wonder if you could rig up a Gly wick system with your crimper if you wanted to terminate earlier? Say for soybeans. Could be an interesting experiment you could try on a small scale. |
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Post by Foggy on Jun 7, 2022 18:57:48 GMT -6
So today I planted some more buckwheat on a few trails that will become food plot / shooting lane extensions by fall. All told....I got about 10 acres planted with warm season crops....which will diminish or be terminated in August or so. Why?.....so I can build more biomass and get more roots in the ground to scavage. the nutrients and preserve moisture while keeping weeds at bay. I did hook up my crimper today and tho my rye is not ready to crimp for about two weeks....I gave it a test run. It sure mashes that stalk on the rye stems nd just rolls past more to the clovers that are in the plots. Super. I dont need to mow or damage that clover I got spreading thru the plots. Here are a few pics of what I am doing with the crimper. (pics will be up in a few minutes.....hang tight.) Did you buy a crimper for the 3pt or can that also be configured on the loader? Looks like a nice unit, should work pretty slick. I wonder if you could rig up a Gly wick system with your crimper if you wanted to terminate earlier? Say for soybeans. Could be an interesting experiment you could try on a small scale. I can mount it on the loader....and use my drill on the back....or any other implement, in order to perform two functions. Not sure I will do this.....but you never know. With the short growing season in MN....I gotta get a couple of weeks head start by planting green into my rye.....and then terminate that rye before it goes to seed. Hard to do both at the same time for most folks I think. It's far more important that I get the biomass right....and keep my fall planting date on schedule. That is my goal. I plan to plant my brassica / winter rye / winter peas/ and more clover.....in late August or early September. Then do this same plan again next year. I did skip a few rows with my warm season mix. (I planted 5 of the 7 seed drops with warm season mix....and left those two rows to plant my pumpkins. (If I can find those rows??) I plan to rig up my JD 71 Planter to put in some pumpkins in the next week or so. I modified some seed plates to drop two or three pumpkin seeds at a time....and I will set the planter to drop that load ever 8 feet or so....into the rye mulch. Thus the pumpkins should be relatively weed free? My goal....and the way some commercial growers do it. Stay tuned. |
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Post by Foggy on Jun 7, 2022 19:00:03 GMT -6
^. Jerry. Folks are planting soybeans GREEN into the standing rye ....just like I show above. Then they terminate the rye a few weeks later with the crimper.....just like shown. The crimper does not kill the beans....and some say it stimulates the beans to produce more. Lots of videos on how to do this....and your beans stay weed free. This system is the real deal.
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Post by badgerfowl on Jun 7, 2022 19:02:54 GMT -6
I hand planted two rows of pumpkins at 24” spacing. Then I spread a light amount of crimson clover and then cultipacked. Hand planting pumpkins is for the birds. Hoping the crimson clover will help eliminate some weeds. Last year the pumpkins had a bunch of weed issues. No rain for 2 weeks and 95 degrees didn’t really help them get off to a good start.
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Post by Foggy on Jun 7, 2022 19:10:18 GMT -6
^. Jerry. Folks are planting soybeans GREEN into the standing rye ....just like I show above. Then they terminate the rye a few weeks later with the crimper.....just like shown. The crimper does not kill the beans....and some say it stimulates the beans to produce more. Lots of videos on how to do this....and your beans stay weed free. This system is the real deal. Here is ONE video on this topic....but there are better ones. THIS is becoming quite common for soybeans now.....and ORGANIC farmers are getting paid big bucks for these non GMO beans as they sell them for organic production by others. Saves chem money too. It's a big deal. |
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Post by biglakebass on Jun 7, 2022 19:37:17 GMT -6
Great Vid!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Foggy on Jun 7, 2022 19:54:32 GMT -6
Yep....there is allot of this stuff out there. Beginning to do this with corn too....but it's a bit of a stretch in some areas. Lots of effort happening here tho...and it can be successful (especially for us food plotters who dont require the biggest yields). Here is a video on corn via a cover crop. I'm told that organic crops command nearly double the price of conventional crops. If you can figure these things out....you get paid for your efforts! Corn is a bit trickier....but beans are a no brainer. PLUS....the rye allows the beans to get started and protects them from the deer for a few weeks. Very cool!
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Post by Foggy on Jun 7, 2022 20:26:39 GMT -6
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Post by biglakebass on Jun 7, 2022 20:28:50 GMT -6
I have a 72 word max post or document. Otherwise i lose focus on the content. Videos are preferred.LOLLL  |
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Post by Foggy on Jun 7, 2022 20:41:19 GMT -6
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Post by Reagan on Jun 7, 2022 21:29:45 GMT -6
Paying attention. Some just have different needs and budget.
I have let rye and/or wheat grow to seed the last couple of years. Some regrows but I think a lot is lost to the birds and turkeys. Sometimes I just mow it instead of crimping.
There is zero chance I buy crimper for many years to come. I don’t even have a real tractor. I don’t doubt the effectiveness I just don’t need it now.
I do expect your crimper to kill your buckwheat as soon as it starts to grow. Other than that, the plan looks solid.
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. Almost true.
