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Post by caveman on Jun 8, 2022 5:37:20 GMT -6
Some of us have done so much homework that we are now in graduate-school where food plots aren't allowed.
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Post by smsmith on Jun 8, 2022 6:00:08 GMT -6
Pretty much par for the course on every topic. Seems a few do read stuff, just not much if any follow up discussion. Yep, it is what it is.
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Post by MN Slick on Jun 8, 2022 6:37:36 GMT -6
Looks good Foggy. Anxious to see the results.
I think I'm light on the rye component in my fall mix. Not enough carryover the following spring. I even broadcasted another 50 lbs/acre onto my drilled plots in September. For some reason broadcasting just doesn't take well on my soils.
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Post by wiscbooners89 on Jun 8, 2022 7:07:25 GMT -6
Each fall we broadcast rye into our bean plots when the leaves start to turn yellow. Then the following year in early July we mow the rye and wait 2 weeks and spray whatever weeds or volunteer rye is growing. We then broadcast brassicas into it right before a rain storm. We still are using chemicals to kill stuff but we feel like the thatch from the rye has helped us over the years. We normally get a great stand of brassicas.
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Post by Sandbur on Jun 8, 2022 7:17:06 GMT -6
^. Jerry. Folks are planting soybeans GREEN into the standing rye ....just like I show above. Then they terminate the rye a few weeks later with the crimper.....just like shown. The crimper does not kill the beans....and some say it stimulates the beans to produce more. Lots of videos on how to do this....and your beans stay weed free. This system is the real deal. Here is ONE video on this topic....but there are better ones. THIS is becoming quite common for soybeans now.....and ORGANIC farmers are getting paid big bucks for these non GMO beans as they sell them for organic production by others. Saves chem money too. It's a big deal. . I like that video. Short enough to cover the topic. Just a few random comments based on working with conventional and organic farmers and this based on 2-3 years ago and longer. Organic soybean meal for dairymen was very expensive back then. I have seen some organic corn and especially soybean fields that were full of weeds. There was lots of conflict in the neighborhood with the organic farmer sending letters requesting no spray buffer zones on the conventional farming lands. Often a bit later in the season, the conventional farmers had the weed inspector out encouraging the organic farmer to do something for weed control. One organic farmer built a weed burning set up for his corn and it worked, but set the corn back a bit. The field smelled like popcorn. I hope they get that rye/ bean system worked out on all of the different soils and growing conditions. It would save a lot of conflict in farming communities.
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Post by Freeborn on Jun 8, 2022 7:24:40 GMT -6
Keep posting Foggy, its interesting what you are attempting and I think we can all learn from your efforts. Many read the post but often don't have any comments. Also, what you are doing fits your application and what you are trying to accomplish. Some of this may translate/transfer to us but some may not. The soybean video you provided I have seen before but there is a significant difference planting in Madison then planting in North-Central Minnesota. Our region would provide little time to spare and on years like this year may not work. I am hesitant to invest in new equipment if its questionable that it will work. Lastly, affordability is in the eye of the beholder, your definition is much different than most people on this forum.
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Post by Sandbur on Jun 8, 2022 7:31:28 GMT -6
Keep posting Foggy, its interesting what you are attempting and I think we can all learn from your efforts. Many read the post but often don't have any comments. Also, what you are doing fits your application and what you are trying to accomplish. Some of this may translate/transfer to us but some may not. The soybean video you provided I have seen before but there is a significant difference planting in Madison then planting in North-Central Minnesota. Our region would provide little time to spare and on years like this year may not work. I am hesitant to invest in new equipment if its questionable that it will work. Lastly, affordability is in the eye of the beholder, your definition is much different than most people on this forum. It’s great foggy is trying these things and is keeping us informed. I do question some of the things from Grant Woods as he is in a far different climate than us and this goes back to his old location and efforts.
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Post by Foggy on Jun 8, 2022 8:12:05 GMT -6
Keep posting Foggy, its interesting what you are attempting and I think we can all learn from your efforts. Many read the post but often don't have any comments. Also, what you are doing fits your application and what you are trying to accomplish. Some of this may translate/transfer to us but some may not. The soybean video you provided I have seen before but there is a significant difference planting in Madison then planting in North-Central Minnesota. Our region would provide little time to spare and on years like this year may not work. I am hesitant to invest in new equipment if its questionable that it will work. Lastly, affordability is in the eye of the beholder, your definition is much different than most people on this forum. It’s great foggy is trying these things and is keeping us informed. I do question some of the things from Grant Woods as he is in a far different climate than us and this goes back to his old location and efforts. Sure there are different gwowing seasons and different climates and soils. But the same principles apply universally. These things are especially friendly to those like us that are doing these things on small plots in the woods......IMO. The timing and methods are always somewhat variable based on soils and climate....as well as current weather situations and moisture. I am sold on this stuff.....but realize there is always a lot more to lern. Grin.
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Post by smsmith on Jun 8, 2022 8:41:00 GMT -6
Foggy, just keep building your soil. What you're doing is especially important on light, sandy soil. I think you'll see changes in your soil profile within a couple years.
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Post by momark on Jun 8, 2022 8:46:22 GMT -6
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Post by Foggy on Jun 8, 2022 9:15:36 GMT -6
Foggy, just keep building your soil. What you're doing is especially important on light, sandy soil. I think you'll see changes in your soil profile within a couple years. Thanks Stu. I do plan to do just that (keep doing what I am doing). But often you get right to the issue at hand.....and folks dismiss the information without understanding the point. Such is the case in planting soybeans green into standing rye. THAT IS MAINSTREAM AGRICULTURE TODAY! It's not some kind of pipe dream. It's a big deal. And it will work even better for many of us food plotters.....in that the standing rye gives about two to three weeks head start on those beans before the deer devour them. I think at that time if one were to fertilize with milorganite.....you could keep the deer off your beans for about 4 to 6 weeks. KABOOM BABY! I'm not too interested in soybeans as a stand alone crop....but I do have three bean varieties in my Green Cover Summer Release (I think). I do have some soybeans left from last year as well.....and one small plot that needs to get planted soon. I may experiment with soybeans in that plot.
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Post by smsmith on Jun 8, 2022 9:26:01 GMT -6
Foggy, just keep building your soil. What you're doing is especially important on light, sandy soil. I think you'll see changes in your soil profile within a couple years. Thanks Stu. I do plan to do just that (keep doing what I am doing). But often you get right to the issue at hand.....and folks dismiss the information without understanding the point. Such is the case in planting soybeans green into standing rye. THAT IS MAINSTREAM AGRICULTURE TODAY! It's not some kind of pipe dream. It's a big deal. And it will work even better for many of us food plotters.....in that the standing rye gives about two to three weeks head start on those beans before the deer devour them. I think at that time if one were to fertilize with milorganite.....you could keep the deer off your beans for about 4 to 6 weeks. KABOOM BABY! I'm not too interested in soybeans as a stand alone crop....but I do have three bean varieties in my Green Cover Summer Release (I think). I do have some soybeans left from last year as well.....and one small plot that needs to get planted soon. I may experiment with soybeans in that plot. If you don't follow No-Till Farmer on FB you may want to. Lots of good info. There was an article about planting soybeans into rye a week ago or so.
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Post by smsmith on Jun 8, 2022 9:51:14 GMT -6
Keep posting Foggy, its interesting what you are attempting and I think we can all learn from your efforts. Many read the post but often don't have any comments. Also, what you are doing fits your application and what you are trying to accomplish. Some of this may translate/transfer to us but some may not. The soybean video you provided I have seen before but there is a significant difference planting in Madison then planting in North-Central Minnesota. Our region would provide little time to spare and on years like this year may not work. I am hesitant to invest in new equipment if its questionable that it will work. Lastly, affordability is in the eye of the beholder, your definition is much different than most people on this forum. Yup, and with the current state of things "affordability" will likely change in most of our eyes in the next few months/years.
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Post by benmnwi on Jun 8, 2022 13:46:02 GMT -6
I'm interested in seeing how the soybeans do when drilled into standing winter rye. I think the soybean yield will suffer, but perhaps not.
At my place soybeans draw in deer better than anything, but the downside is they don't help build up sandy soil. If you could build up the soil and have the best food around it could be a great combo.
Do any of the videos reference actual before and after soil organic matter % when using those no-till plans for a certain number of years?
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Post by Sandbur on Jun 8, 2022 16:06:15 GMT -6
Keep posting Foggy, its interesting what you are attempting and I think we can all learn from your efforts. Many read the post but often don't have any comments. Also, what you are doing fits your application and what you are trying to accomplish. Some of this may translate/transfer to us but some may not. The soybean video you provided I have seen before but there is a significant difference planting in Madison then planting in North-Central Minnesota. Our region would provide little time to spare and on years like this year may not work. I am hesitant to invest in new equipment if its questionable that it will work. Lastly, affordability is in the eye of the beholder, your definition is much different than most people on this forum. Yup, and with the current state of things "affordability" will likely change in most of our eyes in the next few months/years. . I fear that definition will change when we buy propane or fuel oil for winter heat. Gasoline goes up a quarter every time I drive through town. I guess I need to stop driving through town!
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