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Post by Sandbur on Dec 12, 2022 9:15:57 GMT -6
Art.. why do you think hunting camps are fading away? . There are just not enough deer in the northwoods to keep the interest up. Wolves, winter, moose management, National Forest management all contribute. Farm country camps are fading because of resale at higher prices, breaking up of properties.
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Post by Sandbur on Dec 12, 2022 9:31:49 GMT -6
Art.. why do you think hunting camps are fading away? . There are just not enough deer in the northwoods to keep the interest up. Wolves, winter, moose management, National Forest management all contribute. Farm country camps are fading because of resale at higher prices, breaking up of properties. Or from resale and conversion to intensive agriculture.
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Post by Sandbur on Dec 12, 2022 9:39:19 GMT -6
I don’t feel any of our deer organizations have much influence with the DNR. No matter what form of management they favor, I just see the leaders sitting in meetings and not speaking up.
In one way or another, they have been quieted.
Inertia, top heavy organizations, fear of no seat at the table, heck I don’t know what it is. Maybe they have given up like many of us.
No matter what happens, deer organizations and declining deer hunter numbers do not lead to any more influence with the DNR.
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Post by terrifictom on Dec 12, 2022 10:05:44 GMT -6
Something Wisconsin does that Minnesota doesn't is they have a program called Snapshot Wisconsin. The DNR buys trailcams and gives them to volunteers. The volunteers go thru a training course. The cameras are assigned a block of land that the camera is deployed. They have thousands of cameras out thru out whole state. They use this data to determine populations for multiple species along with other metrics that they already had.The data they get from these cameras have made Wisconsin population estimates much more accurate.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Dec 12, 2022 10:10:55 GMT -6
What is so frustrating about MN is that it would be simple to manage the resource for every type of hunter . Every group from brown is down to the trophy hunters to Art would be thrilled . Grow the damn population to a level where a good number bucks survive the season and get rid of party hunting. Wisconsin and Missouri both do it and allow 2 bucks per hunter per year. The insurance and timber constituents have way too much power in MN. I can’t even imagine hunting in Northern MN these days. I bitched and moaned non-stop about how bad my rut hunt was in North MO last month because I was only seeing 3-4 bucks per day and only had two older ones in bow range, LOL. That’s two lifetimes worth of action in parts of MN. SAD! I think this is probably the best first step. Considering Minnesota never counts its deer I think their numbers are directional at best. In addition, much of the deer population is on private property which hides the reality of public ground. I don't know how you can manage something you don't segment and measure at an appropriate level. Too bad the MDHA does not work towards better management as that's what is needed. Eliminating Party hunting would have some impact .. the two ways to have a bigger impact are cutting back on buck tags, and/or moving the gun season back . The DNR has been telling us that moving the season back one week was unpopular. Not true at all. According to the 2018 survey…. 40% are for it, and 20% do not care either way? It’s 58% to be exact that support or do not care ? Just found that out today. Barbara has been emailing me and she even said she’s not opposed to moving it one week.
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Post by daydreamer on Dec 12, 2022 10:20:32 GMT -6
Something Wisconsin does that Minnesota doesn't is they have a program called Snapshot Wisconsin. The DNR buys trailcams and gives them to volunteers. The volunteers go thru a training course. The cameras are assigned a block of land that the camera is deployed. They have thousands of cameras out thru out whole state. They use this data to determine populations for multiple species along with other metrics that they already had.The data they get from these cameras have made Wisconsin population estimates much more accurate. Can't recall if I stated this or not earlier. I had a trailcam up this summer/fall for 6 months prior to rifle opener in Northern MN in our Zone 1-DPA 197. I had exactly one picture of a buck in that entire time frame. This was on a known trail. Doesn't exactly get me excited to hunt up there or to bring my daughter up there.
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Post by terrifictom on Dec 12, 2022 10:37:01 GMT -6
Something Wisconsin does that Minnesota doesn't is they have a program called Snapshot Wisconsin. The DNR buys trailcams and gives them to volunteers. The volunteers go thru a training course. The cameras are assigned a block of land that the camera is deployed. They have thousands of cameras out thru out whole state. They use this data to determine populations for multiple species along with other metrics that they already had.The data they get from these cameras have made Wisconsin population estimates much more accurate. Can't recall if I stated this or not earlier. I had a trailcam up this summer/fall for 6 months prior to rifle opener in Northern MN in our Zone 1-DPA 197. I had exactly one picture of a buck in that entire time frame. This was on a known trail. Doesn't exactly get me excited to hunt up there or to bring my daughter up there. That is why the program would work as all the cameras are state owned. All the pics go to state 1st and then the volunteer gets notice that he or she can review an identify the animal in each pic. That info goes back to the DNR. The program takes all that data which includes the number of deer and predators. It takes a lot of guess work out of population estimates as the cameras are out 24/7.
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Post by terrifictom on Dec 12, 2022 10:45:20 GMT -6
Here are a couple screenshots of cameras distributed in Central and Northern Wisconsin. All the orange squares are where cameras are located. They eventually want cameras in all the green areas too.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Dec 16, 2022 9:10:16 GMT -6
A lot of letters to editor in Outdoor News Minnesota. Mostly from northern MN towns—Kelliher, Crosslake, Bemidji, Barnum . Wolves mentioned, also the DNR excuses of weather, wind, full moon etc..
There was also a concern about gun rights, now that Minnesota has a Democratic majority in the House & Senate.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Jan 5, 2023 11:49:33 GMT -6
According to Outdoor News. Hunters killed the fewest deer since 2015. Roughly 170,000 deer.
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