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Post by nhmountains on Feb 19, 2023 3:22:55 GMT -6
Mulberry scions from Cricket Hill arrived today. I got more than I ordered. They were going to send them the middle of next month, but I contacted them to ask for either an earlier or later delivery due to my being in FL. They said they'd send them right away if that worked for me...a few days later they're here. Pretty impressed with them so far. I got an email from 39th Parallel today, they'll be shipping my scions soon too. I looked up Cricket Hill. That seems like a good nursery. They’re about 30 minute drive from my niece’s house in CT. I’m going to go check them out this spring. The neat thing about this new property is I may be able to plant persimmons and other fruits that wouldn’t survive up north. The Trader Mulberry’s I got direct from him were a bust for me. They didn’t look healthy when I got them and both eventually died. I see a place in Michigan is selling them now for a lot cheaper. I may try them again. |
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Post by smsmith on Feb 19, 2023 6:43:02 GMT -6
I didn't order any this year. I do have 10 wild apple plugs coming, but they tend to run a bit small for grafting the first year. I'll be grafting to rootstocks with failed grafts from previous years, some wild apple plugs from last year, and to wild trees. How’d that first wild tree that you grafted a few years ago make out? Any fruit on it yet? no fruit on any of the wild trees I've top worked yet. I'm hopeful that this year will be the year your red deer crab has its first blooms/fruit |
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Post by smsmith on Feb 19, 2023 7:03:00 GMT -6
Mulberry scions from Cricket Hill arrived today. I got more than I ordered. They were going to send them the middle of next month, but I contacted them to ask for either an earlier or later delivery due to my being in FL. They said they'd send them right away if that worked for me...a few days later they're here. Pretty impressed with them so far. I got an email from 39th Parallel today, they'll be shipping my scions soon too. I looked up Cricket Hill. That seems like a good nursery. They’re about 30 minute drive from my niece’s house in CT. I’m going to go check them out this spring. The neat thing about this new property is I may be able to plant persimmons and other fruits that wouldn’t survive up north. The Trader Mulberry’s I got direct from him were a bust for me. They didn’t look healthy when I got them and both eventually died. I see a place in Michigan is selling them now for a lot cheaper. I may try them again. I'm less impressed with my Trader mulberries every year. Ryan at Blue Hill said he was going to send me some persimmons to try in exchange for a whole bunch of Smitty's scions. I told him I didn't think they had a chance, but he says he's got some that have survived -30 with no dieback. I guess I'll believe it when I see it. When I get home and some of the snow melts, I need to get his scions cut. FWIW...Cricket Hill has a good reputation among the folks on the fruit growing forum |
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Post by Sandbur on Feb 19, 2023 7:53:48 GMT -6
I looked up Cricket Hill. That seems like a good nursery. They’re about 30 minute drive from my niece’s house in CT. I’m going to go check them out this spring. The neat thing about this new property is I may be able to plant persimmons and other fruits that wouldn’t survive up north. The Trader Mulberry’s I got direct from him were a bust for me. They didn’t look healthy when I got them and both eventually died. I see a place in Michigan is selling them now for a lot cheaper. I may try them again. I'm less impressed with my Trader mulberries every year. Ryan at Blue Hill said he was going to send me some persimmons to try in exchange for a whole bunch of Smitty's scions. I told him I didn't think they had a chance, but he says he's got some that have survived -30 with no dieback. I guess I'll believe it when I see it. When I get home and some of the snow melts, I need to get his scions cut. FWIW...Cricket Hill has a good reputation among the folks on the fruit growing forum I am glad you are getting some Smitty’s to Ryan. I think some of these wild genetics will be a good thing for the fruit and cider industry. They have been ignored for too long. |
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Post by smsmith on Feb 19, 2023 8:01:12 GMT -6
I'm less impressed with my Trader mulberries every year. Ryan at Blue Hill said he was going to send me some persimmons to try in exchange for a whole bunch of Smitty's scions. I told him I didn't think they had a chance, but he says he's got some that have survived -30 with no dieback. I guess I'll believe it when I see it. When I get home and some of the snow melts, I need to get his scions cut. FWIW...Cricket Hill has a good reputation among the folks on the fruit growing forum I am glad you are getting some Smitty’s to Ryan. I think some of these wild genetics will be a good thing for the fruit and cider industry. They have been ignored for too long. Well, I guess he and I never finalized anything so maybe he'll be propagating a bunch of Smitty's and maybe he won't. I'll get in touch with him when I get back home. |
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Post by smsmith on Feb 28, 2023 11:51:26 GMT -6
Adding Bailey Sweet, Moore's Sweet, Lady Sweet, Monroe Sweet, Sweet Delicious, and South Dakota Bison scions from TOC. I'll add a couple more from Big Horse Creek if they ever open for orders. I figure if I want these varieties at some point, I better get it done now. Who knows how much time any of us have... I got all 6 varieties from TOC yesterday. Nice looking scions. I hope I get some takes. |
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Post by Sandbur on Apr 2, 2023 7:35:35 GMT -6
 A friend is grafting to dolgo rootstock and sent me this picture. This got me to thinking why I like dolgo rootstock so well as compared to Anty. Anty seem to stall out for a year or so. Maybe that is why my winter survival of Anty wasn’t good for the first year. Dolgo rootstock seems to take off quicker. all speculation on my part. |
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Post by benmnwi on Apr 2, 2023 7:49:33 GMT -6
Those are good looking dolgo seedlings. Good for either grafting or direct planting.
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Post by smsmith on Apr 2, 2023 8:59:47 GMT -6
I was looking for info on seedling rootstocks the other day and came across this article. It's older, but still interesting. For those who don't want to read...it basically implies that not all seedling rootstocks are what they're advertised as. We'd probably be more accurate to call Dolgo, Ranetka, and Baccata rootstocks "crabapple" instead of a specific variety www.apfga.org/ranetka-is-a-ranetka-is-a/That info^^^ reminded me of this statement from this old publication openprairie.sdstate.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1338&context=agexperimentsta_bulletins"Experience here at the South Dakota Station indicates that the ordinary
commercial Pyrus Ussuriensis stocks winter kill readily and must be mulched
carefully in winter to prevent rootkilling. Seedlings of the Harbin pear, Pyrus
U ssuriensis, gathered by the writer from north Manchuria are entirely hardy
and first reported in South Dakota Station Bulletin 224."Where a person sources the seed makes a big difference. |
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Post by Sandbur on Apr 2, 2023 10:21:34 GMT -6
I was looking for info on seedling rootstocks the other day and came across this article. It's older, but still interesting. For those who don't want to read...it basically implies that not all seedling rootstocks are what they're advertised as. We'd probably be more accurate to call Dolgo, Ranetka, and Baccata rootstocks "crabapple" instead of a specific variety www.apfga.org/ranetka-is-a-ranetka-is-a/That info^^^ reminded me of this statement from this old publication openprairie.sdstate.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1338&context=agexperimentsta_bulletins"Experience here at the South Dakota Station indicates that the ordinary
commercial Pyrus Ussuriensis stocks winter kill readily and must be mulched
carefully in winter to prevent rootkilling. Seedlings of the Harbin pear, Pyrus
U ssuriensis, gathered by the writer from north Manchuria are entirely hardy
and first reported in South Dakota Station Bulletin 224."Where a person sources the seed makes a big difference. . That statement probably also applies to Anty rootstock. There is variation even in the same seed source. Interesting on the pyrus. I had zero survival on some and the last two have survived. |
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Post by smsmith on Apr 2, 2023 10:27:55 GMT -6
I was looking for info on seedling rootstocks the other day and came across this article. It's older, but still interesting. For those who don't want to read...it basically implies that not all seedling rootstocks are what they're advertised as. We'd probably be more accurate to call Dolgo, Ranetka, and Baccata rootstocks "crabapple" instead of a specific variety www.apfga.org/ranetka-is-a-ranetka-is-a/That info^^^ reminded me of this statement from this old publication openprairie.sdstate.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1338&context=agexperimentsta_bulletins"Experience here at the South Dakota Station indicates that the ordinary
commercial Pyrus Ussuriensis stocks winter kill readily and must be mulched
carefully in winter to prevent rootkilling. Seedlings of the Harbin pear, Pyrus
U ssuriensis, gathered by the writer from north Manchuria are entirely hardy
and first reported in South Dakota Station Bulletin 224."Where a person sources the seed makes a big difference. . That statement probably also applies to Anty rootstock. There is variation even in the same seed source. Interesting on the pyrus. I had zero survival on some and the last two have survived. Yep, I'd agree that it would apply to any kind of seedling rootstock. If I grew out 100 seeds from any tree here there'd be great variation. I imagine if a person controlled the pollen partners you could get at least somewhat similar offspring, but there'd still be variation. I believe GRIN lists dozens of "Antonovka" varieties. |
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Post by Sandbur on Apr 2, 2023 13:41:56 GMT -6
I was looking for info on seedling rootstocks the other day and came across this article. It's older, but still interesting. For those who don't want to read...it basically implies that not all seedling rootstocks are what they're advertised as. We'd probably be more accurate to call Dolgo, Ranetka, and Baccata rootstocks "crabapple" instead of a specific variety www.apfga.org/ranetka-is-a-ranetka-is-a/That info^^^ reminded me of this statement from this old publication openprairie.sdstate.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1338&context=agexperimentsta_bulletins"Experience here at the South Dakota Station indicates that the ordinary
commercial Pyrus Ussuriensis stocks winter kill readily and must be mulched
carefully in winter to prevent rootkilling. Seedlings of the Harbin pear, Pyrus
U ssuriensis, gathered by the writer from north Manchuria are entirely hardy
and first reported in South Dakota Station Bulletin 224."Where a person sources the seed makes a big difference. Thinking back to the Manchurian (baccata?) and dolgo seedlings I have grown out. Manchurian all have bird sized fruit. Dolgo seedlings have various sized fruit. Different seed source is probably different results. These comparisons are for trees purchased from the local SWCD. I wonder if their source was Lincoln Oakes. |
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Post by smsmith on Apr 13, 2023 18:09:35 GMT -6
Husk Sweet and Arkansas Sweet scions from Big Horse Creek Farm arrived today. Pencil caliper and at least a foot long. Very nice.
I've got a few sticks coming yet from Maple Valley Orchards. They say they'll ship either the 17th or 24th.
I'll say this about this year's scions...they're all nicer than what I've received from Fedco the last few years.
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Post by smsmith on Apr 26, 2023 14:19:51 GMT -6
The last of my scions came today. Maple Valley sends theirs out late to those of us up north I guess. They show no signs of bud swell, so they should be good to go. Nicely sized as were all of the others I received this year.
Maybe in two weeks I'll be able to get some top works done...
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Post by Reagan on May 15, 2023 16:36:59 GMT -6
 I gave some permission scion to The Trooper. He sent a pic of his grafting today. Looks like I have a variety named after me. |
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