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Post by Bwoods11 on Feb 22, 2023 13:03:37 GMT -6
So tempting to order more trees… but I’m holding off !
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Post by Sandbur on Feb 22, 2023 13:47:02 GMT -6
So tempting to order more trees… but I’m holding off ! I have been pretty good at holding off. I have half a dozen apple seedlings to move out of the garden. Maybe getting a few grafted trees for some scion . I could transplant spruce seedlings.
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Post by smsmith on Feb 22, 2023 18:50:02 GMT -6
After seeing how the deer browsed my evergreens this year, I have my doubts that planting more will ever amount to much.
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Post by Foggy on Feb 22, 2023 22:26:15 GMT -6
After seeing how the deer browsed my evergreens this year, I have my doubts that planting more will ever amount to much. I can't keep evergreens thin enough. Freaking things outcompete everything. Gonna have to lop more off.
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Post by Sandbur on Feb 23, 2023 5:16:46 GMT -6
After seeing how the deer browsed my evergreens this year, I have my doubts that planting more will ever amount to much. I can't keep evergreens thin enough. Freaking things outcompete everything. Gonna have to lop more off. Nature favors different things between your two environments. Natural soilpH , drainage, soil depth, and many other factors are involved. I always wonder what allows the pockets of white pines on hill sides out in the area between Randall and Clarissa. I am not speaking of planted pines but of Wild stands. These differences carry through on antler growth and also on lakes from what I see. IMO
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Post by smsmith on Feb 23, 2023 7:00:47 GMT -6
After seeing how the deer browsed my evergreens this year, I have my doubts that planting more will ever amount to much. I can't keep evergreens thin enough. Freaking things outcompete everything. Gonna have to lop more off. Like Art said, it's all about the soil. Same reason 150" bucks by me are common. Those pockets of old (150 years or more?) white pines that start just a few miles north of me and are scattered towards Randall/Cushing are interesting to me as well. Many that I see are on/near some decent slopes/hills.
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Post by nhmountains on Feb 24, 2023 4:12:45 GMT -6
I can't keep evergreens thin enough. Freaking things outcompete everything. Gonna have to lop more off. Like Art said, it's all about the soil. Same reason 150" bucks by me are common. Those pockets of old (150 years or more?) white pines that start just a few miles north of me and are scattered towards Randall/Cushing are interesting to me as well. Many that I see are on/near some decent slopes/hills. I’ve had two foresters here tell me that the soils on my new property are too good to grow white pine because the maples and birch will out compete them and oaks without intervention. On my other land the soils are not as good and pines, firs, and oaks grow great. They’ve both said the pines will stand a better chance with full sunlight so if an old field area was allowed to grow up they may out grow the competition. The regrowth after logging on my new property is spot on to what they say Black birch, beech, and maples block out the oaks and pine. As I drive around here that’s where the mature pine stands are that’s left. Old fields that were abandoned 100 years ago. I’m going to cut the hemlock and pine stands hard on the new property and plant plugs and fight the hardwood sprouts for 5 years to give the pine a chance. I’ll be planting and sowing acorns into those areas as a backup as well.
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Post by Sandbur on Feb 24, 2023 5:40:33 GMT -6
Like Art said, it's all about the soil. Same reason 150" bucks by me are common. Those pockets of old (150 years or more?) white pines that start just a few miles north of me and are scattered towards Randall/Cushing are interesting to me as well. Many that I see are on/near some decent slopes/hills. I’ve had two foresters here tell me that the soils on my new property are too good to grow white pine because the maples and birch will out compete them and oaks without intervention. On my other land the soils are not as good and pines, firs, and oaks grow great. They’ve both said the pines will stand a better chance with full sunlight so if an old field area was allowed to grow up they may out grow the competition. The regrowth after logging on my new property is spot on to what they say Black birch, beech, and maples block out the oaks and pine. As I drive around here that’s where the mature pine stands are that’s left. Old fields that were abandoned 100 years ago. I’m going to cut the hemlock and pine stands hard on the new property and plant plugs and fight the hardwood sprouts for 5 years to give the pine a chance. I’ll be planting and sowing acorns into those areas as a backup as well. Are those hemlock stands thick enough to be important for cover and food for winter survival?
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Post by nhmountains on Feb 24, 2023 6:27:53 GMT -6
I’ve had two foresters here tell me that the soils on my new property are too good to grow white pine because the maples and birch will out compete them and oaks without intervention. On my other land the soils are not as good and pines, firs, and oaks grow great. They’ve both said the pines will stand a better chance with full sunlight so if an old field area was allowed to grow up they may out grow the competition. The regrowth after logging on my new property is spot on to what they say Black birch, beech, and maples block out the oaks and pine. As I drive around here that’s where the mature pine stands are that’s left. Old fields that were abandoned 100 years ago. I’m going to cut the hemlock and pine stands hard on the new property and plant plugs and fight the hardwood sprouts for 5 years to give the pine a chance. I’ll be planting and sowing acorns into those areas as a backup as well. Are those hemlock stands thick enough to be important for cover and food for winter survival? They are but, now there’s a new Wooly Adelgid bug courtesy of Asia that seems to be killing them too. I saw two beautiful old dead ones on my walk this week. They will die like the ash. The forester says we might as well cut them because they’ll die and their timber isn’t worth a lot so might as well let something more valuable start growing. This stem is over 20” dbh. No snow under these trees. They provide great winter thermal. The tree must’ve just died this year. The top is dead.
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Post by Sandbur on Mar 25, 2023 12:37:37 GMT -6
I just ordered 25 more weed mats, staples, and 2 packets of root gel, to be picked up on Monday.
I must be nuts at this age:(
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Post by smsmith on Mar 26, 2023 7:55:39 GMT -6
I just ordered 25 more weed mats, staples, and 2 packets of root gel, to be picked up on Monday. I must be nuts at this age:( What are you putting the mats on?
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Post by Sandbur on Mar 26, 2023 11:13:42 GMT -6
I just ordered 25 more weed mats, staples, and 2 packets of root gel, to be picked up on Monday. I must be nuts at this age:( What are you putting the mats on? The ground! I have 5 or 6 apple seedlings to move and a few trees from Midwest Deer Trees. He grafted some of Grandma’s seedling for me after the rabbits hit it hard a year ago. I would also like a chestnut crab for near the house as one of my trees is so deformed from neglect. I might give a tree or two of Grandma’s seedling to my wife’s nephews. I could move a handful of spruce seedlings. There is going to be a lots to do when the snow suddenly goes. Who knows how much I will get done.
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Post by chummer16 on Apr 8, 2023 8:00:56 GMT -6
I pulled a truck load of spruce out of the ditch yesterday. Probably 30 total but I am running out of easy ones to pull. I didn't get nearly the root ball I usually get. I need another 30 to complete my screen. I might have to find another source. After a week of monsoons the snow is almost gone. Now there is no rain for at least a week. I have nearly 100% success rate transplanting like this but with some questionable root balls and planting in a mound with no rain coming it will be interesting to see how they do. I am considering putting in a blueberry patch by using this mound system.
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Post by Sandbur on Apr 8, 2023 10:40:30 GMT -6
I pulled a truck load of spruce out of the ditch yesterday. Probably 30 total but I am running out of easy ones to pull. I didn't get nearly the root ball I usually get. I need another 30 to complete my screen. I might have to find another source. After a week of monsoons the snow is almost gone. Now there is no rain for at least a week. I have nearly 100% success rate transplanting like this but with some questionable root balls and planting in a mound with no rain coming it will be interesting to see how they do. I am considering putting in a blueberry patch by using this mound system. Different climate here. I would not expect much survival with summer heat and drought.
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Post by chummer16 on Apr 8, 2023 10:51:15 GMT -6
I pulled a truck load of spruce out of the ditch yesterday. Probably 30 total but I am running out of easy ones to pull. I didn't get nearly the root ball I usually get. I need another 30 to complete my screen. I might have to find another source. After a week of monsoons the snow is almost gone. Now there is no rain for at least a week. I have nearly 100% success rate transplanting like this but with some questionable root balls and planting in a mound with no rain coming it will be interesting to see how they do. I am considering putting in a blueberry patch by using this mound system. Different climate here. I would not expect much survival with summer heat and drought. I might get a couple days that reach 85. I am in a micro climate due to the elevation and lake. Lots of snow and cool summers.
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