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Post by sd51555 on May 6, 2017 15:44:56 GMT -6
SW MN. A hell hole in terms of wildlife habitat. I go with cousin to do some mushroom hunting, we strike out, and then find this. Plum thickets and RO dogwood galore out here, and they're pushing the shit on piles.    |
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Post by Bwoods11 on May 6, 2017 17:42:07 GMT -6
Idiotic
Can't believe they have a theory for this
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Post by sd51555 on May 6, 2017 18:00:05 GMT -6
There were fantastic thickets of plum and ROD and other stuff. I imagine they think they're helping pheasant by eliminating predator perches.   |
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Post by Bwoods11 on May 6, 2017 18:26:44 GMT -6
Guarantee the number of birds will dwindle
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Post by Sandbur on May 6, 2017 18:38:26 GMT -6
Repeated across so many acres, it's sickening.
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Post by Coda1 on May 6, 2017 18:38:29 GMT -6
It is really sad what both the federal and state wildlife agency’s are doing. They are spending money to destroy good habitat. I think their main goal is to bring back prairie chickens. The following is straight off of the USFWS website www.fws.gov/refuge/Windom_WMD/about/faq.htmlMany people believe trees are needed for deer and pheasant populations. Deer evolved on the prairies and are very well adapted to using tall grass as cover along with thick vegetation such as cattail and reeds in wetlands during the winter. Deer are opportunistic and may use trees when available but are most definitely not dependant on them. Chinese Ring-necked Pheasants, as the name implies, are an exotic species imported for use as a game bird therefore the USFWS doesn't manage to benefit invasive species directly. As wildlife managers we would encourage landowners and other agency land managers to exclude and remove trees from all other areas, especially grasslands for wildlife. |
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Post by sd51555 on May 6, 2017 20:22:47 GMT -6
I wonder how much of that shit they do that they own a Cat excavator and a logo'd semi to pull it around.
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Post by Bwoods11 on May 7, 2017 7:21:38 GMT -6
Pheasants are invasive. This group has an agenda, and it's not good for pheasants, deer or turkey. Their title says US Fish and Wildlife.
I believe deer, pheasants and turkey are wildlife.
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Post by Sandbur on May 7, 2017 19:16:02 GMT -6
Pheasants are invasive. This group has an agenda, and it's not good for pheasants, deer or turkey. Their title says US Fish and Wildlife. I believe deer, pheasants and turkey are wildlife. At the Roundtable meetings you can hear the agenda. Pollinators, which means bees and butterflies. Never mind that hunters dollars and even sportsman's clubs actually bought the land. |
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Post by smsmith on May 7, 2017 19:22:50 GMT -6
Pollinators is obviously the current buzzword. I swear I hear it almost every day on the news, local or national. There must be a bunch of (our) money available from the gooberment for planting stuff that benefits pollinators.
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Post by sd51555 on May 7, 2017 20:50:43 GMT -6
I loaded up some ammo into my keyboard and penned this scather to the ODN:
Gislason Lake Habitat Destruction
Out on a leisurely drive west of Marshall, I came across the Northern Tallgrass Prairie National Wildlife Refuge. I observed a bulldozer and excavator piling up trees near there, and simply assumed there was a private 40 tucked into this refuge. However, upon driving up to the parking area, I see the emblem on the side of the truck reads: National Fish and Wildlife Service.
I was puzzled that the NFWS would be ripping out and piling up vital shelterbelts that are so relished and championed by Pheasants Forever. I went to their website to find that they do not manage "their" lands for pheasants because they are an invasive species. They go on to say that shelter belts provide no benefits and actually cause more harm. They claim they're restoring the lands to the versions of "normal" described in the diaries of Lewis and Clark.
So I must ask, why should anyone support any more land under the management of these guys, or the DNR for that matter? Where does Pheasants Forever stand on this? NFWS claims these shelter belts help predator birds better canvas an area for other critters to eat. Are raptors not just as important to the landscape? Do they not deserve the same natural right to eat ducks as wolves have to eat deer and moose?
At what point in evolution did mother nature use Cat equipment to maintain her prairies? Before anyone gets excited about more WMAs in southwest MN, be sure to ask what "their" version of habitat entails, because it may not include pheasants, critical winter cover, or early season pollinator habitat.
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Post by Sandbur on May 8, 2017 6:19:01 GMT -6
I loaded up some ammo into my keyboard and penned this scather to the ODN: Gislason Lake Habitat Destruction
Out on a leisurely drive west of Marshall, I came across the Northern Tallgrass Prairie National Wildlife Refuge. I observed a bulldozer and excavator piling up trees near there, and simply assumed there was a private 40 tucked into this refuge. However, upon driving up to the parking area, I see the emblem on the side of the truck reads: National Fish and Wildlife Service.
I was puzzled that the NFWS would be ripping out and piling up vital shelterbelts that are so relished and championed by Pheasants Forever. I went to their website to find that they do not manage "their" lands for pheasants because they are an invasive species. They go on to say that shelter belts provide no benefits and actually cause more harm. They claim they're restoring the lands to the versions of "normal" described in the diaries of Lewis and Clark.
So I must ask, why should anyone support any more land under the management of these guys, or the DNR for that matter? Where does Pheasants Forever stand on this? NFWS claims these shelter belts help predator birds better canvas an area for other critters to eat. Are raptors not just as important to the landscape? Do they not deserve the same natural right to eat ducks as wolves have to eat deer and moose?
At what point in evolution did mother nature use Cat equipment to maintain her prairies? Before anyone gets excited about more WMAs in southwest MN, be sure to ask what "their" version of habitat entails, because it may not include pheasants, critical winter cover, or early season pollinator habitat. I wonder how long it will take until they consider turkeys as no longer a native in this habitat? No deer, no pheasants,maybe no turkeys. Just bees, butterflies, and expensive, fenced in buffalo or migrating elk at $5000 each for maintenance. |
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Post by Freeborn on May 8, 2017 7:11:06 GMT -6
That is unbelievable. Can't all of these co-exist and benefit all wildlife? These steps are in direct contradiction to what I am doing on my place. I planted Plums and ROD and I have pollinators in my prairie grass. How narrow minded can these people be?
I hate the way government operates, they come in tear these areas up without one word to anybody and the public who uses these areas are stuck with the consequences. Very sad.
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Post by Bwoods11 on May 8, 2017 8:25:09 GMT -6
They must know more than I do, but when the pheasant season starts, I have most of the pheasants--in the section--on my property. It is a mix of spruce, cedar, young oak, plum, chokecherry, crab apple, and then plenty of native grasses and cattails as well. The pheasant love the tree line (shelterbelts). They stay on the property year round and produce a lot of young ones as well. The neighbor has all grass, and he shoots a few birds, but has maybe 1/4 of the pheasants I have. I put cameras out for deer, and I rarely see a skunk, a few coon, and coyotes, but the predators do not get many birds. Once in awhile, rare, I will see pheasant remains/feathers below a cedar or spruce tree. What I found is that bales were the worst for predator perches. Pheasants love cedars and can avoid a hawk or owl easy near the cedars.  where to host images |
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Post by sd51555 on May 8, 2017 10:34:33 GMT -6
I even went and did some PF reading to make sure I wasn't crazy about PF being pro-shelter belt.
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