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Post by kabic on Nov 6, 2017 14:26:32 GMT -6
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Post by nhmountains on Nov 6, 2017 14:50:04 GMT -6
I call BS. Brain worm is a terrible disease for the moose but, moose here in the northeast survived fine for 30 years mixing with deer. I've seen two moose that I knew had brain worm. The moose will act drunk. Fall down or very unstable on their feet. I've seen far more sick moose that are dying from the winter tick. Lots of bloody beds in tge winter. Litttle or no fur left from rubbing. I find it funny our population has dropped similar to Minnesotas and our Fish and Game says it's winter tick. Minnesota has the wolves, winter ticks and your DNR decides it's deer. The brain worm is actually caused the slug that the moose happens to eat if it's on the foliage they eat. Minnesota DNR does seem to have issues with deer.
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Post by kabic on Nov 6, 2017 15:18:18 GMT -6
This was my favorite part
It like they are saying ignore the man behind the curtain (wolves)
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Post by benmnwi on Nov 6, 2017 15:27:46 GMT -6
I'm not a biologist, but I'm guessing the moose population would be increasing if the wolves didn't eat 3/4 of the calves or whatever the mortality rate they found during their study. I believe their study showed something crazy like 90%+ pregnancy rate, but 6 months later very few calves were still alive. Seems unlikely the brainworms ate the calves.
Perhaps they should try to kill all the wolves in one zone and all deer in the other and see which option increases the moose population faster.
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Post by biglakebass on Nov 6, 2017 15:29:37 GMT -6
I like that science ben. Great idea.
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Post by Sandbur on Nov 6, 2017 16:18:43 GMT -6
I'm not a biologist, but I'm guessing the moose population would be increasing if the wolves didn't eat 3/4 of the calves or whatever the mortality rate they found during their study. I believe their study showed something crazy like 90%+ pregnancy rate, but 6 months later very few calves were still alive. Seems unlikely the brainworms ate the calves. Perhaps they should try to kill all the wolves in one zone and all deer in the other and see which option increases the moose population faster. They are trying half of that. |
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Post by Sandbur on Nov 6, 2017 16:20:09 GMT -6
I'm not a biologist, but I'm guessing the moose population would be increasing if the wolves didn't eat 3/4 of the calves or whatever the mortality rate they found during their study. I believe their study showed something crazy like 90%+ pregnancy rate, but 6 months later very few calves were still alive. Seems unlikely the brainworms ate the calves. Perhaps they should try to kill all the wolves in one zone and all deer in the other and see which option increases the moose population faster. They are trying half of that. I wonder if anyone has done a study to see if the snail populations or species have changed with warmer winters. |
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Post by nhmountains on Nov 6, 2017 17:00:56 GMT -6
I'm seeing more slugs here. A lot more since I've been growing the mushrooms. They love mushrooms. I think the wolves are making an impact on your herd. I'm seeing healthier moose here in NH now that the population has dropped some. Our biologist explained more likely than not the populations will fluctuate unless we return to late winters. The winter ticks rely on the moose if there's no moose then their population left drop too. If we return to colder longer winters then the ticks will die easier.
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Post by nhmountains on Nov 6, 2017 17:03:20 GMT -6
I'm not a biologist, but I'm guessing the moose population would be increasing if the wolves didn't eat 3/4 of the calves or whatever the mortality rate they found during their study. I believe their study showed something crazy like 90%+ pregnancy rate, but 6 months later very few calves were still alive. Seems unlikely the brainworms ate the calves. Perhaps they should try to kill all the wolves in one zone and all deer in the other and see which option increases the moose population faster. Exactly. The cows here used to have twins. Now we usually see one or no calves. If it was brain worm why wouldn't these have twins? I'll write a NH guy I know and see what get his take is. |
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Post by smsmith on Nov 6, 2017 18:43:45 GMT -6
I get that some folks really want moose around. Heck, I used to enjoy seeing them when I went to Canada.
That said, from a practical viewpoint...moose bring next to nothing to the state financially. Deer bring huge money.
Which animal is worth managing the best way possible?
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Post by batman on Nov 6, 2017 18:54:27 GMT -6
I get that some folks really want moose around. Heck, I used to enjoy seeing them when I went to Canada. That said, from a practical viewpoint...moose bring next to nothing to the state financially. Deer bring huge money. Which animal is worth managing the best way possible? Look at every current DNR deer PR. Moose. Forests. Crops. Ticks are next. CWD. Urban MN is on board. CHOO CHOO> |
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Post by smsmith on Nov 6, 2017 18:56:38 GMT -6
^^^^oh, I know it's all over as far as "quality" deer hunting in most of this state is concerned. It just sickens me how the press just jumps right on the DNR bandwagon.
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Post by benmnwi on Nov 6, 2017 19:51:27 GMT -6
I get that some folks really want moose around. Heck, I used to enjoy seeing them when I went to Canada. That said, from a practical viewpoint...moose bring next to nothing to the state financially. Deer bring huge money. Which animal is worth managing the best way possible? Minnesotas moose almost got me kicked out of college. My senior year I realized I could start applying for big hunts and I drew a mn moose, Wyoming antelope and New Mexico elk the same year. I told an engineering professor I was going to be gone for a couple weeks for hunting trips and he said it's not an excused absence and he would fail me. I called his bluff and went hunting. My college roommates ate a lot of moose and elk steaks with our Busch light that year. |
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Post by nhmountains on Nov 7, 2017 7:25:22 GMT -6
I get that some folks really want moose around. Heck, I used to enjoy seeing them when I went to Canada. That said, from a practical viewpoint...moose bring next to nothing to the state financially. Deer bring huge money. Which animal is worth managing the best way possible? When our moose population was thriving there were a few towns in the very northern part of the state that made a lot of tourism money off from the moose. They'd set up evening drives in busses to let the flatlanders see their first moose. They even had moose festivals each fall. I checked with my state connection guy and he toed the party line and said it's possible that the brain worm is causing more deaths in Minnesota than NH. He didn't bite on the wolf issue. |
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