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Post by wklman on Jan 7, 2018 20:50:11 GMT -6
So.....I've never shot a suppressed gun before. I would imagine that the "can" will change the POI with and without it? How much variation in impact? / accuracy changes? Impact lowers down. For me it was quite a bit (like 4-5 inches). Accuracy stays the same or gets better. Warning: once you buy one you'll never want to shoot without it again.
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Post by Foggy on Jan 7, 2018 20:57:00 GMT -6
So.....I've never shot a suppressed gun before. I would imagine that the "can" will change the POI with and without it? How much variation in impact? / accuracy changes? Impact lowers down. For me it was quite a bit (like 4-5 inches). Accuracy stays the same or gets better. Warning: once you buy one you'll never want to shoot without it again. so......4 or 5 inches at 100 yards??? IF so.....does that mean you loose velocity too? Not that it's bad if you loose velocity for a short-range gun.....but for long range you don't want / need any big losses in velocity.....no?
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Post by wklman on Jan 7, 2018 20:58:25 GMT -6
Impact lowers down. For me it was quite a bit (like 4-5 inches). Accuracy stays the same or gets better. Warning: once you buy one you'll never want to shoot without it again. so......4 or 5 inches at 100 yards??? IF so.....does that mean you loose velocity too? Not that it's bad if you loose velocity for a short-range gun.....but for long range you don't want / need any big losses in velocity.....no? No, you usually gain velocity from a can. The drop comes from the extra weight on the barrel.
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Post by Foggy on Jan 7, 2018 21:06:19 GMT -6
so......4 or 5 inches at 100 yards??? IF so.....does that mean you loose velocity too? Not that it's bad if you loose velocity for a short-range gun.....but for long range you don't want / need any big losses in velocity.....no? No, you usually gain velocity from a can. The drop comes from the extra weight on the barrel. Wow. Never thought about the impact changes as a result of that suppressor. I suppose the barrel harmonics are dampened some.....and that extra weight hanging on the end of the barrel is going to make a big variable with different guns. I did some testing on "barrel whip" when I was developing a laser bore sighter many years back. Worked with a great gunsmith and writer for Precision Shooting who helped educate me on barrel whip. Many guns would "whip" the bullet as much as 12" from laser perfect bore sighting. The barrel harmonics are hard to predict.....and make bore sighting somewhat meaningless for anything even close to precision. Not sure how you'd get an increase in velocity from a can? Ideas on why?? Longer "barrel time"
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Post by jselsor on Jan 7, 2018 21:10:08 GMT -6
so......4 or 5 inches at 100 yards??? IF so.....does that mean you loose velocity too? Not that it's bad if you loose velocity for a short-range gun.....but for long range you don't want / need any big losses in velocity.....no? No, you usually gain velocity from a can. The drop comes from the extra weight on the barrel. Yep mostly it has to do with the barrel harmonics that change when you add the additional weight/mass on the end. It changes the way the barrel reacts thus the position the crown is in when the bullet exits.
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Post by wklman on Jan 7, 2018 21:19:59 GMT -6
here's a 200 yard group with the suppressor on the rifle. I do all load development and sighting in with the can on. I figure since I'll never shoot without it why do load work with it off.
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Post by Foggy on Jan 7, 2018 21:27:17 GMT -6
Coyote gun?
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Post by wklman on Jan 7, 2018 21:30:20 GMT -6
It's from the precision rifle in my pic, but yeah you could shoot a coyote with it 😉
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Jan 8, 2018 6:06:48 GMT -6
Man you guy are getting me all horny to do some shooting. Thanks for all the info!
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Post by Catscratch on Jan 8, 2018 7:15:05 GMT -6
Getting me all amped up to hit the range too!
I've read that suppressors increase accuracy through the stabilization of gasses before the bullet leaves the barrel. Less turbulence = more consistency. True?
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Post by Catscratch on Jan 8, 2018 7:16:09 GMT -6
Are you guys that load your own shooting sub-sonic velocities?
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Post by jselsor on Jan 8, 2018 8:16:52 GMT -6
Getting me all amped up to hit the range too! I've read that suppressors increase accuracy through the stabilization of gasses before the bullet leaves the barrel. Less turbulence = more consistency. True? I have read that accuracy improves but haven’t really noticed but haven't shot at long range yet I shoot subsonics in a couple guns. It makes teaching my 6 yr old how to shoot much more enjoyable. He shot his first deer this yr with a 300BO at 86 yards. It was the best feeling ever. Supersonic loads are louder obviously but can still be shot without ear protection which is nice
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Post by jselsor on Jan 8, 2018 8:59:05 GMT -6
My boy Kellen’s first deer with suppressed 300BO and 110grain hornady Vmax
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Jan 8, 2018 12:33:46 GMT -6
My boy Kellen’s first deer with suppressed 300BO and 110grain hornady Vmax Man them kids are growing up fast! WTH? Congrats!
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 15, 2018 7:18:06 GMT -6
Nice! I have been wanting one! Its a pain to have to borrow my buddies every time I work up a load! I am getting back into this stuff after a few yr break. Hoping to shoot Big Piney tournament this yr with a few buddies. You, Foggy an the buckchaser should make a trip to MO for it!? That'd be fun. I'd love to learn some of the secrets foggy has learned over the years. He has really sharpened up with living and listening to Jack Pine Savages! I keep working on him . Still a wannabe JPS but he is trying.
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