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Post by Sandbur on Aug 6, 2018 20:09:10 GMT -6
Honest question here on government data.
If a guy gets $12 an hour cleaning at McDonald and then quits and gets a new cleaning job at a mall for $15, is that recorded as an increase in wages?
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Post by Reagan on Aug 7, 2018 5:30:47 GMT -6
Honest question here on government data. If a guy gets $12 an hour cleaning at McDonald and then quits and gets a new cleaning job at a mall for $15, is that recorded as an increase in wages? With Trump in the Whitehouse, the media would call a guy like that displaced and disenfranchised. Poor fella had to go through the mental anguish of starting a new job.
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Post by Catscratch on Aug 7, 2018 5:45:27 GMT -6
Honest question here on government data. If a guy gets $12 an hour cleaning at McDonald and then quits and gets a new cleaning job at a mall for $15, is that recorded as an increase in wages? With Trump in the Whitehouse, the media would call a guy like that displaced and disenfranchised. Poor fella had to go through the mental anguish of starting a new job. Would have to give him an emotional support animal and a free ride to Georgetown.
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Post by chummer16 on Aug 7, 2018 5:56:08 GMT -6
Honest question here on government data. If a guy gets $12 an hour cleaning at McDonald and then quits and gets a new cleaning job at a mall for $15, is that recorded as an increase in wages? Technically no. I could be wrong but I think they take the total amount of compensation for the country and divide by the number of jobs. That gives them a % up or down but it is not on an individual job basis.
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Post by jbird on Aug 7, 2018 8:52:00 GMT -6
What I see with my kids working - is that "benefits" is a general term. His retirement plan is essentially unsupported by his employer, but they do offer one and his "health insurance" is a joke as well. It's a "discount card" is what it is. And it sucks it covers like 10%. All this after coming out of school with an A.S. in Auto and Diesel Mechanics. He could make more money working in a factory right now with better benefits than he does doing what he went to school for right now. I say right now, because he is just out of school so over time things will change, but I can get people a job at $15+ and actual benefits in a factory.
What kills me is how people talk about those living below the poverty level and wanting to raise minimum wage. Do they realize that by increasing the rate at which you have to pay people it simply increases the cost of everything? Know who gets fucked in that process? Those that live above that level that provide the taxes to fund that sort of shit! Further reduction of the middle class! You want to pass a law I can support.....NO TAXES ON EMPLOYEE BONUSES or OVERTIME that account for less than 10% of the employees compensation! Nothing pisses me off more than when uncle sam sticks his fingers in pockets of those busting ass...above and beyond to get ahead and that ass-hole takes an even greater percentage because of it! People say how communism doesn't work.....well it works in this country for about 35% of the year!!!
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Post by Bwoods11 on Aug 7, 2018 10:43:08 GMT -6
Jbird--I just did a quick search for diesel mechanics in MN. Openings at place like Waste Management, and Titan Machinery. $21-34 an hour starting, with full benefits. I see these openings quite often.
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Post by wildfire123 on Aug 7, 2018 10:47:54 GMT -6
My son went to St. Cloud college to get a degree. He started as a flight instructor, for minor pay and not many hours. Then went to work flying flying small single and twin engine charter planes, worked with 1 or 2 days off per month, with no benefits. Now is a co pilot for a major airline, with lots of benefits. You have to start somewhere. CEO people did not start there!!!
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Post by jbird on Aug 7, 2018 12:19:26 GMT -6
Jbird--I just did a quick search for diesel mechanics in MN. Openings at place like Waste Management, and Titan Machinery. $21-34 an hour starting, with full benefits. I see these openings quite often. His biggest short fall right now is his lack of experience and his student loan debt. I tried to get him to go chase that dollar while he was young.....but he doesn't seem motivated. He has also learned a thing called "cost of living". The increase in pay tends to come in areas where things in general cost more. He found that out when he looked at working in Indy.....then he saw what rent would cost him.... He seems happy with what he is doing now - working on semi-trucks.....he just has to take his lumps like the rest of us have. My biggest concern is for him long term....tough to be a mechanic all your life. Its hard on your body.....and eventually you have to look beyond turning a wrench and crawling around on the floor. Oh well, I figure this job is a stepping stone.....we all have to start somewhere and most take several steps along the way.
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Post by sd51555 on Aug 7, 2018 13:34:25 GMT -6
Jbird--I just did a quick search for diesel mechanics in MN. Openings at place like Waste Management, and Titan Machinery. $21-34 an hour starting, with full benefits. I see these openings quite often. His biggest short fall right now is his lack of experience and his student loan debt. I tried to get him to go chase that dollar while he was young.....but he doesn't seem motivated. He has also learned a thing called "cost of living". The increase in pay tends to come in areas where things in general cost more. He found that out when he looked at working in Indy.....then he saw what rent would cost him.... He seems happy with what he is doing now - working on semi-trucks.....he just has to take his lumps like the rest of us have. My biggest concern is for him long term....tough to be a mechanic all your life. Its hard on your body.....and eventually you have to look beyond turning a wrench and crawling around on the floor. Oh well, I figure this job is a stepping stone.....we all have to start somewhere and most take several steps along the way. Look in Sioux Falls. He could pick where he wants to work. Pay to rent ratio seems very appealing out here + no state income tax. When you're paying down student loans or saving money, you pay no taxes here. Did I mention 6th cleanest water of any major metropolitan area in the US? It takes an act of God to get a diesel into and out of a shop within a week, most often it's two weeks plus.
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Post by chummer16 on Aug 9, 2018 9:56:04 GMT -6
He could have a job at ten different places here. My company pays to put these kids through school with no gauarantee they work here. We sponsor two kids a year. Some of them sign on but very few make it past a couple months. Our starting pay is over $20 per hour and it is a union job with full benefits. Blows my mind that kids in their 20’s don’t take this jobs and bust their ass to get ahead. That is very good money for this area.
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Post by benmnwi on Aug 9, 2018 11:24:50 GMT -6
If a person is motivated and willing to move even a modest distance it is very easy to find a good paying job. There are some factory jobs in SE MN that start over $18/hr with benefits with no training required. Companies that pay that much often need to pay a high amount to get employees because it is hard work, hot, off shifts, etc., but if someone wants to make some good money there are options there. Manufacturing got a black eye years ago, but the pay and benefits found at a lot of manufacturing companies is much better than people think.
But you have to be willing to work. And show up on time. For every single day you are scheduled to work.
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Post by Sandbur on Aug 9, 2018 11:37:55 GMT -6
If a person is motivated and willing to move even a modest distance it is very easy to find a good paying job. There are some factory jobs in SE MN that start over $18/hr with benefits with no training required. Companies that pay that much often need to pay a high amount to get employees because it is hard work, hot, off shifts, etc., but if someone wants to make some good money there are options there. Manufacturing got a black eye years ago, but the pay and benefits found at a lot of manufacturing companies is much better than people think. But you have to be willing to work. And show up on time. For every single day you are scheduled to work. Last paragraph is true for most jobs.
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Post by benmnwi on Aug 9, 2018 20:04:03 GMT -6
We hire a couple college interns every year and one of ours graduated in May without a job, which is a first. But he had no ambition and barely even sent out a resume, which is why he didn't get a job. He is a good kid but needs a fire lit under his ass occasionally. Well he was offered a job in the area that starts at $55k and he is thinking about turning it down to hold out for more money.
So he could either keep doing nothing and make no money or start a job in his field of study at $55k per year and he is struggling with the decision.
Nuts.
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Post by kabic on Aug 10, 2018 4:11:47 GMT -6
About 12 years ago i picked up the family and moved to TN because that was were the job opportunity was. Then after a few years moved back to WI. Some people are not comfortable leaving where they spent all of their life.
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Post by Reagan on Aug 10, 2018 5:33:39 GMT -6
Very true. Plus some people aren’t comfortable leaving their current job in order to better their situation. They just complain that their employer should pay them more and give them better benefits.
Change can be hard but it often takes an uncomfortable change to get ahead.
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