|
|
Post by Sandbur on Aug 4, 2018 11:28:09 GMT -6
What do you see? The small towns where I work have entry level jobs at $13 or $14 with benefits.
Wages have not increased as much as some would like to see, but I have heard some interesting comments. Employers offer retirement and matches and health insurance which has increasing costs. Actual wages may not increase much, but employer costs, especially health insurance, are increasing or being offered for the first time.
|
|
|
|
Post by chummer16 on Aug 5, 2018 6:01:34 GMT -6
I could get any knuckle head a job right know for $15 a hour. All they would have to do is show up and work. That seems to be the hard part for people not working.
My wife’s boss is piling money back into his business because of the tax cut. He put an extra 100k into their 401k’s which broke down to 3-8k per employee, and he doing a million dollar expansion of the building. THIS IS ALL BECAUSE OF THE TAX CUT. How do I know that? He told everyone at the annual party that love or hate the president their bonus and this expansion was because of him. There was some nice sour pusses in that crowd.
|
|
|
|
Post by MoBuckChaser on Aug 5, 2018 6:10:20 GMT -6
What do you see? The small towns where I work have entry level jobs at $13 or $14 with benefits. Wages have not increased as much as some would like to see, but I have heard some interesting comments. Employers offer retirement and matches and health insurance which has increasing costs. Actual wages may not increase much, but employer costs, especially health insurance, are increasing or being offered for the first time. I see $13 hour with no benefits in our small town. The only jobs with benefits are the subsidized jobs with the county, the hospital, and school system. Every thing else is 36 hours a week or less, so no benefits are paid. |
|
|
|
Post by Freeborn on Aug 5, 2018 6:45:37 GMT -6
I think you will see large disparities between urban and rural areas. I also think there is still allot of slack in the labor market. Watch the employee participation rate and as that lowers and with controlled immigration you will see real wage growth.
Anything that slows the rate of labor supply will improve wages. We need merit based immigration for critical labor but not open borders as we already have an underutilized labor force.
|
|
|
|
Post by Sandbur on Aug 5, 2018 6:52:37 GMT -6
What do you see? The small towns where I work have entry level jobs at $13 or $14 with benefits. Wages have not increased as much as some would like to see, but I have heard some interesting comments. Employers offer retirement and matches and health insurance which has increasing costs. Actual wages may not increase much, but employer costs, especially health insurance, are increasing or being offered for the first time. I see $13 hour with no benefits in our small town. The only jobs with benefits are the subsidized jobs with the county, the hospital, and school system. Every thing else is 36 hours a week or less, so no benefits are paid. I see that , too. But change is starting. Aldi’s in Little Falls hires at $13.25 with ‘full’ benefits if full time. If it includes health insurance, that is a big plus. It seems like the adjacent small towns might have to step up to keep workers. I saw a sign for $14 an hour and benefits in a small town of 800 people in Stearns County. Starting wages at the place I work have gone up with benefits. |
|
|
|
Post by Sandbur on Aug 5, 2018 6:57:00 GMT -6
I think you will see large disparities between urban and rural areas. I also think there is still allot of slack in the labor market. Watch the employee participation rate and as that lowers and with controlled immigration you will see real wage growth. Anything that slows the rate of labor supply will improve wages. We need merit based immigration for critical labor but not open borders as we already have an underutilized labor force. I have to smile at your comment on slack in the labor force . Makes me think of slackers in the labor force. Those that won’t work or apply or those that get a job and do nothing. We all know those types. Rural areas within driving distances of regional centers may do better on wage growth. |
|
|
|
Post by Catscratch on Aug 5, 2018 7:26:30 GMT -6
Jobs in my area are dominated by aircraft; Spirit (formerly Boeing), GE, Cessna, Beech, Learjet, etc. and the hundreds of little machine shops that contract to aircraft manufactures in surrounding towns. Aircraft is feast or famine by nature and lay-offs are common. None of the major manufactures have had a layoff for a while so that is considered good. Wichita used to be known as the "air capital of the world" but that is now in Mexico. LOTS of local high pay jobs went south within the last 10yrs. So, even though layoffs aren't happening right now and wages are keeping up with cost of living... the area isn't nearly as well to do as it was 15yrs ago.
Benefits are a huge deal. When I started at the machine shop 21yrs ago I had employer matching up to 6% contribution in a 401k, and 100% employer paid health insurance. When I quit 6yrs later I was paying around $600 a month for my health insurance and employing matching for 401k was 25 cents per dollar contributed. I got raises on a regular bases and earned a lot more when I quit than when I started but wasn't bringing home a comparable amount. I would say this is where aircraft is right now... making good money but not bringing home a lot. I just don't see the "disposable" income indicators like ski boats and race cars in yards like I used to.
|
|
|
|
Post by MoBuckChaser on Aug 5, 2018 7:26:48 GMT -6
25 years ago, you could grab any kid off the farm or out in the country< put him or her to work at damn near any job and they would excel. Now I aint so sure anymore. Lots of fucking slackers out there.
|
|
|
|
Post by Catscratch on Aug 5, 2018 8:03:08 GMT -6
25 years ago, you could grab any kid off the farm or out in the country< put him or her to work at damn near any job and they would excel. Now I aint so sure anymore. Lots of fucking slackers out there. I have to agree with this. While there are still a lot of kids out there that want to work and earn their toys, there are a lot that would rather get up and turn on a screen of some sort. When pushed about earning money to buy a car or something they shrug and say; why do I need a car if I can watch my screen and text my friends? I'm also finding that a lot of the kids who do want to earn something "think" they are doing work, but aren't really doing acceptable efforts. Kind of like "showing up is good enough" attitude. The best I could describe it is tinkering instead of working. With that said there are good kids working out there but like Mo said the percentage is a lot lower than it was. |
|
|
|
Post by wildfire123 on Aug 5, 2018 9:44:43 GMT -6
Immigrants would gladly do these jobs, and WORK!! If you read the FINE print, you must WORK 40 hours per week. If the JOB is for 36 hours, what do you GET?
|
|
|
|
Post by Reagan on Aug 5, 2018 10:37:19 GMT -6
Immigrants would gladly do these jobs, and WORK!! If you read the FINE print, you must WORK 40 hours per week. If the JOB is for 36 hours, what do you GET? Cut off the free shit to the lazy people and they will work or starve. Just like the starving immigrants that come here illegally and are happy to work. Your man Obama did more to create the less than 40 hour work week than anyone. |
|
|
|
Post by Bwoods11 on Aug 5, 2018 10:49:42 GMT -6
Wages are up in my area. I just had this conversation with a couple of business owners, one marine dealership owner has had to bump his wage up $4-5 an hour.
|
|
|
|
Post by wklman on Aug 5, 2018 10:57:23 GMT -6
Cut off the free shit to the lazy people and they will work or starve. Just like the starving immigrants that come here illegally and are happy to work. Your man Obama did more to create the less than 40 hour work week than anyone. Agreed, take all the useless benefits away and make them work and you'll see changes. Like the bible says "if anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat". We've developed a society of lazy people who have no desire to work. With ebt, free health care, living assistance, etc. people are content with what they get. They've got their t.v., video games, cable, ac, and housing so why work. There are those that do need help but they should be easy to take care of. Everybody else should be doing something in society. |
|
|
|
Post by chummer16 on Aug 5, 2018 12:28:41 GMT -6
Immigrants would gladly do these jobs, and WORK!! If you read the FINE print, you must WORK 40 hours per week. If the JOB is for 36 hours, what do you GET? Cut off the free shit to the lazy people and they will work or starve. Just like the starving immigrants that come here illegally and are happy to work. Your man Obama did more to create the less than 40 hour work week than anyone. Thank Obama for the 29 hour work week. He thought he would force employers to provide health care. Wrong, he just turned many people into a part time job. To compound the problem many people are satisfied working 29 hours and getting what ever hand outs go with it. Quit the free shit and more people will work and wages will go up. |
|
|
|
Post by Freeborn on Aug 5, 2018 12:34:11 GMT -6
Immigrants would gladly do these jobs, and WORK!! If you read the FINE print, you must WORK 40 hours per week. If the JOB is for 36 hours, what do you GET? That depends on the company definition but I believe the Affordable Care Act required benefits to be provided to anyone with over 30 hours per week. in regards to immigration, with such a low participation rate the point is we have many able body people who could take those jobs instead of being on assistance. Increase our participation rate which lowers costs and get more productivity from our work force and you have lower spending. More immigration will not help working people as wages stagnate or go down. A tight labor market will increase wages and motivate employees to get training and improve their life. A good economy raises all boats and particularly when policy is written in favor of workers and not the wealthy. |
|
