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Post by smsmith on Feb 11, 2017 18:29:46 GMT -6
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Feb 11, 2017 19:03:22 GMT -6
Where is the chart that goes with it Stu?
Edit: Never mind, I didnt zoom in enough.
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Post by smsmith on Feb 11, 2017 19:16:40 GMT -6
Entirely anecdotal and on a very, very small scale...but my experience/soil tests match up at least pretty closely to that map.
I need to test my current place
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Post by westbranch on Feb 11, 2017 19:28:10 GMT -6
Pretty neat, interesting to look at the areas where there are pockets of farming in the north country and they fit in with the higher PH. Floodwood to Meadowlands MN still has a few guys farming in there and the map shows 7 ph. Also the farming on the south shore of lake superior in WI. I would have thought more area in central WI would have been >6.
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Post by smsmith on Feb 11, 2017 19:35:37 GMT -6
Well, I think that map is native ph, essentially based on bedrock and "what" the native soils were comprised of before we started fucking around with them? Once we started plowing/disking/fertilizing with synthetics the soil profiles have changed quite a bit.
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Post by westbranch on Feb 11, 2017 20:26:31 GMT -6
That makes sense, I was thinking along the lines of the areas where guys are still farming seem to have better natural PH. A lot of areas that were cleared from logging or fire and were homesteaded farmed went back to trees and brush. The better soils were kept cleared and still farmed, no doubt with plenty of synthetic fertilizers.
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Post by Coda1 on Feb 11, 2017 20:34:46 GMT -6
Pretty close in my area which was in timber. My soil tests were 5.6 and 5.7 and the map shows 6.
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Post by Tooln on Feb 11, 2017 20:38:55 GMT -6
Close, yea. But a soil test is still worth every penny. Then you know for sure.
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Post by Reagan on Feb 12, 2017 5:40:46 GMT -6
My property is on the left side of this pic. The map shows low PH. My first soil test for my woods plot was 4.7. My bucks tend to shed antlers very early every year. There is also little agg near me. Moving 20 miles to the southeast puts you at my dad's place. The map shows better ph and our soil test confirm it. His bucks hold antlers longer and the deer seem to be fatter. He has a little agg nearby which is one bean field in just the last couple of year. Most of his neighbors have cattle. Based on my limited expedite, the map is accurate and we can see the difference in deer due to the dirt.  |
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Native ph
Feb 12, 2017 5:50:24 GMT -6
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Post by Catscratch on Feb 12, 2017 5:50:24 GMT -6
Looks close to what my soil tests show. Would be nice to have available when looking to buy property.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Feb 12, 2017 18:31:50 GMT -6
Looks close to what my soil tests show. Would be nice to have available when looking to buy property. That chart is only a guide line. Who knows how much the soil has been amended, No way to know unless you get a test. |
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Post by sd51555 on Feb 12, 2017 18:43:38 GMT -6
You suppose the low pH of the east coast is due to the old world pollution from the steels mills and shit in the rust belt?
When I went to the Ag Phd soil clinic a few weeks ago, they had exercises where we went through 6 soil tests to talk about what recommendations should be made and why conditions may have been that way. They were all over the board, high pH, low pH, heavy, light, super fertile, and completely farmed out. Then Brian made the revelation that all those tests were from one field.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Feb 12, 2017 18:49:20 GMT -6
You suppose the low pH of the east coast is due to the old world pollution from the steels mills and shit in the rust belt? When I went to the Ag Phd soil clinic a few weeks ago, they had exercises where we went through 6 soil tests to talk about what recommendations should be made and why conditions may have been that way. They were all over the board, high pH, low pH, heavy, light, super fertile, and completely farmed out. Then Brian made the revelation that all those tests were from one field. So he pulled that sample from my farm........LOL |
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Native ph
Feb 12, 2017 19:30:07 GMT -6
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Post by Catscratch on Feb 12, 2017 19:30:07 GMT -6
Then Brian made the revelation that all those tests were from one field. My parents place is like this; 45 bushel per acre wheat in one spot and 10 bushel per acre wheat in another spot... all in the same field. One spot my grandpa called "Sunday ground". It would be too wet to work on Saturday and too dry/hard to work on Monday. The only day he could ever work it was Sunday. If I were looking at buying farm ground I would probably talk with the local CO-OP first. They will know more than anybody about inputs and invasives on the place. If looking at rangeland the map posted would give a good generality. Did you learn a lot? I think a workshop like that would be interesting. |
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Post by sd51555 on Feb 12, 2017 19:40:10 GMT -6
I've been doing lots of self study the past couple years between the internet, a handful of books, talking with fertilizer guys, and now two of these workshops. If you've never been to something like that, I think you'd get a lot out of it. But it takes a long time to wrap your head around it because every rule has an exception. Then you have surpluses causing deficiencies, multiple causes for one problem etc.
I enjoy it. When you can grow some impressive and highly desirable tonnage that is magazine worthy, it's fun to see, sit over, and know you're feeding deer well.
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