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Post by batman on Aug 30, 2018 8:00:45 GMT -6
Met with elected yesterday as part of the Jeff johnson Gov run on the possibility of a CWD platform.
Michigan DNR is now collecting genetic markers from 2,000 cwd tested deer and is working with the captive cervid industry to try and identify genotypes resistant or immune to CWD. What would be the cons to such an approach?
There is a scientist that claims to have identified the bacteria that causes CWD prions to mutate. He has now cultured the bacteria and can grow it and believes he can create a vaccine but needs cash to hire the crew to make it happen. They have successfully dropped pelleted feed to vaccinate Texas deer for rabies. What would be the cons to creating a vaccine for CWD?
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Post by mnfish on Aug 30, 2018 8:55:49 GMT -6
It sure would be great to see the state agencies using more science based and less social management strategies
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Post by sd51555 on Aug 30, 2018 9:01:08 GMT -6
DNR would need a new boogeyman to justify the herd suppression. Funding should be a multi-state effort for all involved, or just thrown onto the federal farm bill. I think the farm bill is too far along to get it on there. Shit, the CDC should be writing a check for it.
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Post by sd51555 on Aug 30, 2018 9:10:18 GMT -6
The good Lord is well aware the feds are cutting checks for endless amounts of useless research around the world. It'd be nice to see one that does some good. We could put off the "impacts of artificial sweeteners on the sex drive of blue crickets in Tanzania" study.
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Post by benmnwi on Aug 30, 2018 11:18:00 GMT -6
Sounds like a way to funnel some free government money to captive deer farmers in the name of "CWD" research. Johnson should get as much distance between himself and the captive deer herd industry if he is counting on the sportsman vote.
If the scientist's CWD bacteria theory is legit there would be companies fighting to throw money at the guy. I'm guessing there are some holes in his theory, but who knows. A vaccine could be worth billions and there are lots of people and companies who want a piece of that action. I like SD's idea of the CDC getting involved though if the species jump is possible or likely though.
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Post by benmnwi on Aug 30, 2018 11:30:59 GMT -6
Not trying to piss in anyone's cheerios with the previous post either. A CWD vaccine would be awesome, so I should have said that clearly.
The thought of rewarding captive deer farmers with CWD positive herds with government cash for a study doesn't sit well with me since they helped spread CWD faster in the first place. I don't have any better thoughts on how else to do a large scale study either, but the thought of giving captive deer farmers money from sportsmen's wallets nauseates me.
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Post by mnfish on Aug 30, 2018 11:52:11 GMT -6
I'd read the original post as funding to research with the goal of finding a cure for CWD not subsidizing deer farmers? Is that correct Bat? A controlled environment will be needed for any kind of science. Why wouldn't we as tax payers leverage already existing "test labs" aka existing deer farms? This disease doesn't discriminate between the inside or outside of the 8' woven wire.
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Post by benmnwi on Aug 30, 2018 12:18:51 GMT -6
If the captive deer farmers are helping the study for free then I'm definitely supportive. I just assumed somehow deer farmers with sick deer will now get grant money to help with research on top of the massive piles of public cash they get when we have to pay to depopulate the sick herd.
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Post by batman on Aug 30, 2018 12:34:27 GMT -6
Our meeting was about controlling and possibly eliminating CWD. The cervid industry is researching the above 2 ideas and think they may have a solution. I think our game departments should partner with them in their search for vaccines and genotypes.
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Post by sd51555 on Aug 30, 2018 12:59:40 GMT -6
Our meeting was about controlling and possibly eliminating CWD. The cervid industry is researching the above 2 ideas and think they may have a solution. I think our game departments should partner with them in their search for vaccines and genotypes. Have you heard if Charlie A is working with that scientist at all? It'd be uplifting to see all the heavies that want this solved to get on one team and punch it across the goal line. For as much bluster and fear has been shoveled out by the state and federal government, they ought to write the check and get outta the way. I don't know where all the companies have landed since there seems to be a flurry of consolidation in ag companies, but some of the ag medicine guys may be able to get it done too. Lots of options. |
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Post by batman on Aug 30, 2018 13:10:32 GMT -6
Our meeting was about controlling and possibly eliminating CWD. The cervid industry is researching the above 2 ideas and think they may have a solution. I think our game departments should partner with them in their search for vaccines and genotypes. Have you heard if Charlie A is working with that scientist at all? It'd be uplifting to see all the heavies that want this solved to get on one team and punch it across the goal line. For as much bluster and fear has been shoveled out by the state and federal government, they ought to write the check and get outta the way. I don't know where all the companies have landed since there seems to be a flurry of consolidation in ag companies, but some of the ag medicine guys may be able to get it done too. Lots of options. I think Charles Alzheimer is dead. |
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Post by Reagan on Aug 30, 2018 13:11:35 GMT -6
If you are speaking about Charlie Alzheimer or however it’s spelled, I think he passed last year.
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Post by sd51555 on Aug 30, 2018 16:05:40 GMT -6
Was that the same guy that headed up the Wisconsin study?
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Post by Reagan on Aug 30, 2018 16:33:37 GMT -6
I think that was Dr Kroll aka Dr Deer. Aka Mr hi fence.
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Post by Sandbur on Aug 31, 2018 19:37:18 GMT -6
I would like to see a good link to this bacteria that is involved with CWD and the research. The one link I read had lots of false statements and I could not accept the rest of the story based on all of the other errors.
I am wondering if it was fake news or not.
For the record, genetic has worked well with scrapie control. Some feel cwd evolved from scrapie, so results MIGHT be similar.
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