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Post by sd51555 on Sept 21, 2018 10:47:42 GMT -6
I spend some time in the bean bag chair with the cheetos looking at cam pics guys get of buck groups in food plots. Those pics are taken from a camera right on the edge of the plot at eye level and in broad daylight. Any place in the country, it seems you can get away with that. But if you get a buck on camera in northern MN once and at any time of day, it seems you've doomed yourself from getting a second visit to that spot from that buck ever again.
I can't wrap my head around what the difference is up there vs the rest of the country. Have those adult bucks been hunted so hard that it's just stamped in their DNA to not tolerate any human interaction or picture taking? The more I think about it, it seems the presence of cameras or any intrusion after winter is a death knell for the upcoming season.
Why?
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Post by Freeborn on Sept 21, 2018 11:27:29 GMT -6
What are you using for a camera? I pulled all my infrared cameras because my bucks were reacting negatively to them. I just purchased my first Black Flash and we will see how it goes.
Also, you may try setting your cameras very high and see how that works. I put out one infrared camera up high and we will see if I can get away with it.
For a food plot you could place a tall post (10' or higher) and see if you can get away with it.
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Post by Catscratch on Sept 21, 2018 11:29:55 GMT -6
They have a predator/prey relationship with the JPS which has forced superior survival skills compared to the rest of the country. If not for having to adapt to the relentless and savage skills of their main predator (JPS) they would act like their cousins; the Kansas whitetail. KS deer are good natured and playful with humans while young, often playfully coming into the yard to frolic, have their ears scratched, and ticks pulled. It's not until they reach 160+ that they have to fear humans here and go nocturnal.
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Post by Sandbur on Sept 21, 2018 11:33:22 GMT -6
Some theories are that bucks in wolf country are very skiddish.
I also feel bucks in the northwoods cover many, many miles during the fall while scouting for girlfriends. Find a good bottleneck and sit on it for days on end. My opinion is you may never see the buck twice in a season while hunting because of the wandering nature.
I think that even happens in the farm country where I live.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Sept 21, 2018 11:43:44 GMT -6
We try to put cameras up high as much as we can. I don’t think bucks leave the area due to cameras, maybe just the precise spot.
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Post by benmnwi on Sept 21, 2018 11:53:45 GMT -6
I agree that their big home ranges is a bigger factor than the cameras. If a buck only wanders through your area once every few weeks it will be hard to get pics.
IMO guys frequently checking their cameras and leaving human scent in areas that seldom see people has a bigger negative impact than the camera itself. I have a dozen different cameras from different brands and models and I spend a fair amount of time in stands where I can see these cameras. I've seen deer look at the camera when it takes a picture, but it doesn't stop them from walking by the same area in the future.
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Post by sd51555 on Sept 21, 2018 12:07:56 GMT -6
I'm pulling one more out of the woods this weekend. I'll move that into my back yard. Might even pull the water hole cam out too. Haven't decided yet.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Sept 21, 2018 12:11:17 GMT -6
I do think forested deer (Northern MN) as example, do behave differently. A guide from NW Minnesota once told me that he had giant bucks on camera (living on public) that would walk by his cameras with wet hides up to their neck. They were hunkered down in bogs/wetlands/wooded islands surrounded by water. He would rarely see the bucks until the peak of the rut.
He said, he would go to areas few humans would venture, and they were still paranoid (as he described it). Could be wolves, poachers, who know, but they act different.
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Post by kooch on Sept 21, 2018 12:13:57 GMT -6
I took mine out a month ago. I noticed I would get a couple bucks on camera for a night or two, then not again for a long time. Same does, every day, like clockwork. I decided that it just wasn't worth the intrusion for me to go back in there this close to the hunting season. It's not going to change where we hunt anyways if it's freezing cold like most years, we're going to sit in one of a couple box blinds depending on wind. We'll just sit with the wind to our face where we've seen deer before and hope for the best. Pretty rudimentary, I know, but that's where I'm at right now.
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Post by benmnwi on Sept 21, 2018 12:25:13 GMT -6
I agree that old bucks prefer areas with as little human intrusion as possible. If a neighboring place has no human pressure that's likely where the neighborhood deer once they start smelling people hunting, walking around or checking cameras. I haven't personally noticed issues related to the cameras themselves, but I have no doubt in certain situations it is possible especially in spots where encounters with people are very rare.
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Post by batman on Sept 21, 2018 13:10:31 GMT -6
I have used low grade cameras to keep bucks away from areas I cant hunt. Only problem is the battery life sucks so bad it does not work for extended periods.
Click/flas/ infrared puke
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Post by MN Slick on Sept 24, 2018 11:39:24 GMT -6
What kind are you using? I agree red flash is no bueno but black flash hasn't been an issue.
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