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Post by benmnwi on Dec 4, 2018 18:27:47 GMT -6
Doesn't matter much if we like it or not, just need a few people in the neighborhood to start filling piles of tags and things will go downhill.
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Post by batman on Dec 4, 2018 18:54:17 GMT -6
Doesn't matter much if we like it or not, just need a few people in the neighborhood to start filling piles of tags and things will go downhill. I would not worry about it. Guys I talk to in WI said you just need twice the land, twice the plots and twice the sanctuary to have almost the same caliber of bucks.
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Post by batman on Dec 5, 2018 7:18:44 GMT -6
Dnr discussing bounty program on deer in the 603. Tax breaks or other programs to landowners for public hunting. Sharpshooters back on. Prizes. Interesting.
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Post by kooch on Dec 5, 2018 7:43:56 GMT -6
So, are we FOR or AGAINST massive slaughter in CWD positive areas? Sounds like against. I'm not trolling.
So I don't have to go sift through a hundred threads on this....
What should we be doing to try and contain CWD?
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Post by kabic on Dec 5, 2018 7:55:20 GMT -6
I'm not sure the slaughter fest works. Wisconsin tried it...we still have CWD.
Thing is it is in the soil. You can slaughter every single deer in the zone, but when deer filter back in from areas outside the zone they will get it again.
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Post by batman on Dec 5, 2018 8:13:35 GMT -6
I would support the slaughter if it worked. It has failed in the past - possibly because private landowners felt having deer was more important than trying to eliminate the spread of a disease we know very little about.
What we are seeing now is an ever expanding zone that will likely envelope the whole state in 10 or 15 years. Zone is roughly 3x bigger now than it was last year. At that rate, 1,000 sq miles x300% equals 3,000, 9,000, 27,000, 81,000 sq miles. Thats the whole state in 4 years. Never moves that fast but the creep will never stop under the current plan with the current science.
If we move forward with the current plan, we eventually see unlimited doe tags state wide and Koochs area will be void of deer.
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Post by sd51555 on Dec 5, 2018 8:15:00 GMT -6
So, are we FOR or AGAINST massive slaughter in CWD positive areas? Sounds like against. I'm not trolling. So I don't have to go sift through a hundred threads on this.... What should we be doing to try and contain CWD? Nobody here buys the DNR’s plan near as I can tell. The degree of angst may very. The disease is likely endemic (is that the word Art?) and won’t be containable anyway. Private industry is researching whitetail strains resistant to CWD, and I believe they exist in the wild too. It’s a cheap cover scheme for the DNR to kill off the deer because there is no majority stakeholder that benefits from deer on the landscape. Too much juice wanting them gone.
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Post by batman on Dec 5, 2018 8:19:48 GMT -6
there is no majority stakeholder that benefits from deer on the landscape. Too much juice wanting them gone. Or one could argue no financed group steering policy behind the scenes. DNR has become very bold with Rick Hansen and his liberal cronies chairing the House committees.
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Post by mnfish on Dec 5, 2018 9:02:47 GMT -6
I likened the future of MN whitetail management to the pocket gopher a couple of years ago. The whitetail deer is one car wrecking, row crop field destroying, tree mauling, SOB! Thank goodness i built a wall around my place to keep out those aweful diseased whittails out!!!
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Post by Sandbur on Dec 5, 2018 12:00:46 GMT -6
Endemic is the correct word. I have reminded the DNR that they need an endemic plan. Perhaps recent comments by the DNR indicate they will NOT eliminate the disease.
My personal thoughts are that we need to watch the funding for CWD. We need a plan for an endemic area and we need a different plan for a new outbreak. Perhaps a new outbreak could be defined by distance, such as 50 miles from a previous case. I also tend to think they should have a time period for control on the new outbreak. Maybe three years and a careful evaluation of dollars spent is reasonable. If no progress at control is made in three years, move to the endemic plan.
My two cents and I am not always right!
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Post by benmnwi on Dec 5, 2018 13:33:32 GMT -6
I think it's worth a try to minimize the spread of the disease. At this point though it seems likely that the disease is here to stay and will slowly spread. It's a little depressing though knowing the hunting here has peaked and will now be on the downhill slide indefinitely.
If the eradication/containment plan doesn't work I really hope they put some more money into research and less into sharpshooters.
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Post by biglakebass on Dec 5, 2018 14:40:22 GMT -6
What are other states seeing?
I havent heard a peep about Illinois for a long time and its been a while on Iowa too.
Not that I am researching it, but it seemed like there was a lot more chatter a couple years ago about those places.
Did they give up? Or did everyone give up talking about it.
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Post by kl9 on Dec 5, 2018 17:11:43 GMT -6
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Post by kooch on Dec 5, 2018 18:46:17 GMT -6
Seems to me that there's not really anything we can do about it. Killing as many as possible hasn't worked out. The prions are in the dirt and never go away. If we didn't do anything, what are the odds that we'll just reach a new equilibrium, lots of deer will get sick and die.... Then, maybe animals that are not sensitive to the contagion will live and hopefully reproduce. Down the road, we'll have a load of deer that are not sick because they are immune, plus a bunch that do get sick because they aren't.
Eventually, will this shit just work itself out? Or am I hopelessly naive and uninformed?
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Post by batman on Dec 5, 2018 19:03:29 GMT -6
APR's will be gone before Walz takes office. The 603 may be the biggest deer zone in the state before the end of the year.
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