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Post by kl9 on Dec 5, 2018 19:36:21 GMT -6
APR's will be gone before Walz takes office. The 603 may be the biggest deer zone in the state before the end of the year. I agree completely it will keep expanding which sucks. But to be honest I don’t give a shit if APR leaves. At least half of my 1.5 year olds are 8 pointers. With the deer numbers in my area and the genetics I don’t think APRs do shit for me currently.
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Post by batman on Dec 5, 2018 19:38:56 GMT -6
APR's will be gone before Walz takes office. The 603 may be the biggest deer zone in the state before the end of the year. I agree completely it will keep expanding which sucks. But to be honest I don’t give a shit if APR leaves. At least half of my 1.5 year olds are 8 pointers. With the deer numbers in my area and the genetics I don’t think APRs do shit for me currently. DNR is gunning hard to reduce deer numbers in SE MN. They have become very aggressive since Walz took office. He will call the shots. I would be very concerned.
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Post by Sandbur on Dec 5, 2018 19:59:56 GMT -6
Endemic is the correct word. I have reminded the DNR that they need an endemic plan. Perhaps recent comments by the DNR indicate they will NOT eliminate the disease. My personal thoughts are that we need to watch the funding for CWD. We need a plan for an endemic area and we need a different plan for a new outbreak. Perhaps a new outbreak could be defined by distance, such as 50 miles from a previous case. I also tend to think they should have a time period for control on the new outbreak. Maybe three years and a careful evaluation of dollars spent is reasonable. If no progress at control is made in three years, move to the endemic plan. My two cents and I am not always right! I want to correct one of my comments above...perhaps recent comments from the DNR indicate they have started to accept the concept that they will not eliminate the disease.
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Post by Sandbur on Dec 5, 2018 20:02:45 GMT -6
Seems to me that there's not really anything we can do about it. Killing as many as possible hasn't worked out. The prions are in the dirt and never go away. If we didn't do anything, what are the odds that we'll just reach a new equilibrium, lots of deer will get sick and die.... Then, maybe animals that are not sensitive to the contagion will live and hopefully reproduce. Down the road, we'll have a load of deer that are not sick because they are immune, plus a bunch that do get sick because they aren't. Eventually, will this shit just work itself out? Or am I hopelessly naive and uninformed? I would like to learn more about the resistance factor from some genes.
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Post by sd51555 on Dec 5, 2018 20:16:55 GMT -6
I think the only thing worth worrying about at this point, is if the DNR purposefully kills off the deer that are showing signs of being resistant to the disease. Them fuckers should all go to prison if they kill off that research.
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Post by sd51555 on Dec 5, 2018 22:10:15 GMT -6
If the DNR succeeds in driving the deer herd into the ground, down to like 5 dpsm or less, wouldn't that hasten the spread of the disease? The breeder bucks are going to have to travel many many miles to find a few does to screw. This is of course the opposite of having a whole gaggle of does right in their palace.
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Post by batman on Dec 6, 2018 6:50:02 GMT -6
If the DNR succeeds in driving the deer herd into the ground, down to like 5 dpsm or less, wouldn't that hasten the spread of the disease? The breeder bucks are going to have to travel many many miles to find a few does to screw. This is of course the opposite of having a whole gaggle of does right in their palace. You can look at the maps if Illinois and Wisconsin. Passsive or aggressive approach it still spreads. They have it in Texas where deer densities are 2 - 3 per square mile.
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Post by wintomatic on Dec 8, 2018 17:59:35 GMT -6
CWD is likely a lot more widespread than we think. Its in Canada, Western US, as well as the Midwest. The way they are going about testing for it is a joke. What they should do is pay deer processors $5 dollars to collect the lymph node tissue samples from every deer, and provide free testing for people that process there own deer and want to send in a sample. If they did that for a couple of years there would be enough data to tell us how extensive the spread of CWD really is. That QDMA add about calling in about a deer acting strange? Is that a joke? Could be brain worm or a number of things.
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Post by wintomatic on Dec 8, 2018 18:08:41 GMT -6
The way they are dealing with the CWD reminds me of how they are trying to stop the spread of invasive aquatic species when 75% of the lakes are already infested...you are never going to get rid of it. They should make every deer farm breed genetically resistant deer and release them into the wild.
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