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Post by terrifictom on Dec 14, 2018 12:18:01 GMT -6
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Post by sd51555 on Dec 14, 2018 16:34:30 GMT -6
And to think the Philistines would have that research facility burned to the ground.
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Post by sd51555 on Dec 14, 2018 16:49:56 GMT -6
There’s about 442,000 acres per county down there. They could carpet bomb the county with an organic dry humic product at 50 lbs per acre for 6 years at a cost of $16,600,000/year. That would sanitize the soil and likely have been a long enough campaign to have outlasted any living carriers as well.
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Post by batman on Dec 14, 2018 17:38:33 GMT -6
CWD is a good soap opera fodder.
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Post by wintomatic on Dec 16, 2018 10:01:53 GMT -6
It is for now, unless it mutates and starts infecting cattle.
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Post by batman on Dec 16, 2018 10:02:56 GMT -6
It is for now, unless it mutates and starts infecting cattle. Even a whiff of a hunt of that would be a huge deal. |
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Post by Catscratch on Dec 16, 2018 10:08:07 GMT -6
Oh man, that would be huge if there was even speculation of it jumping species. Mad Cow certainly didn't go unnoticed several years ago.
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Post by batman on Dec 16, 2018 10:22:00 GMT -6
Oh man, that would be huge if there was even speculation of it jumping species. Mad Cow certainly didn't go unnoticed several years ago. From what I can gather mad cow was largely feeding cow parts (lymph, brain spleen spine etc) to cows. Then people ate the cows brains. |
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Post by wintomatic on Dec 16, 2018 10:36:25 GMT -6
It is not that big of a jump for a prion such as CWD that affects deer and elk to be able to infect cattle or sheep. As CWD spreads and the exposure of grazing animals increases, the likelihood of that happening also increases.
The Keynote speaker at the MVMA meeting last year is an infectious disease expert. He was talking about what would likely happen if CWD makes the jump to cattle/sheep with deer being a wild reservoir host spreading the disease. Or if it starts to be able to infect humans like CJD/mad cow disease, which is also a prion similar to CWD.
It was some pretty scary shit. That is a part of why they would go so far as to try to depopulate regions of deer like in SE Minnesota, in my opinion. Even though it is futile as a control measure.
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Post by wintomatic on Dec 16, 2018 10:48:11 GMT -6
The mad cow disease spread was in large part due to England allowing rendering plants to decrease the temperature and time requirements as an energy saving measure. The Prions were able to survive the rendering process, and then infect cattle that were fed it as a part of their ration.
I takes extreme temperatures to kill prions to the point that they are no longer infectious (something like 900* for several hours).
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Post by batman on Dec 16, 2018 11:09:54 GMT -6
The mad cow disease spread was in large part due to England allowing rendering plants to decrease the temperature and time requirements as an energy saving measure. The Prions were able to survive the rendering process, and then infect cattle that were fed it as a part of their ration. I takes extreme temperatures to kill prions to the point that they are no longer infectious (something like 900* for several hours). If the prion kill temp is that high would the rendering temp change anything? Could this lend credence to Bastians theory that spiroplsm bacteria are the real vector? |
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Post by sd51555 on Dec 16, 2018 11:10:46 GMT -6
That is a part of why they would go so far as to try to depopulate regions of deer like in SE Minnesota, in my opinion. Even though it is futile as a control measure. The standard for government work was never outcome based, it was activity based. They pat themselves on the back because they do something. They've never aimed to accomplish something. Education, poverty, hunger, public lands, wildlife, medicaid, the VA, Obamacare, nation building etc etc etc. |
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Post by wintomatic on Dec 16, 2018 11:19:03 GMT -6
Most of the cases of “Mad Cow Disease” were from consuming infected beef. It has also been spread by tissue transplants, and even using eletrocautery devices (brain electrodes that had been autoclaved, but the prions survived the autoclaving process).
You could never cook a piece of meat/tissue to eat well enough to kill a prion.
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Post by wintomatic on Dec 16, 2018 11:30:44 GMT -6
Prions are actually just a short chain of proteins. Much simple than a bacteria or virus. You pretty much have to denature the protein to destroy them. That is why they are so hard to deal with. I honestly don’t know anything about bacteria or other organisms as a possible vector for spreading CWD.
I didn’t even know they were testing for resistance to it until I seing Batman’s posts.
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Post by wintomatic on Dec 16, 2018 11:46:11 GMT -6
The mad cow disease spread was in large part due to England allowing rendering plants to decrease the temperature and time requirements as an energy saving measure. The Prions were able to survive the rendering process, and then infect cattle that were fed it as a part of their ration. I takes extreme temperatures to kill prions to the point that they are no longer infectious (something like 900* for several hours). If the prion kill temp is that high would the rendering temp change anything? Could this lend credence to Bastians theory that spiroplsm bacteria are the real vector? I am not sure of the current rendering requirements, but it is Temp x time x pressure related ( kind of like a giant pressure cooker). We don’t really know that much about prions and spread, and there is a lot of speculation. How long has it actually been around? How widespread it actually is in North America? |
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