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Post by batman on Apr 3, 2019 18:45:53 GMT -6
If you were going to construct bedding benches on the downwind side of a ridge, what features would make it work?
Next time I rent a bobcat (not the neutered mutt from SD) I am going to put some flat spots 1/3 of the way from the top for different winds in the preserve to see how often the deer use them.
Stem density/felled trees/back cover/side cover/grass/view/size/?
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Post by Sandbur on Apr 3, 2019 19:42:22 GMT -6
Hire Tony L. to come out?
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Post by terrifictom on Apr 3, 2019 19:51:09 GMT -6
By far the number one thing that deer use for bedding by me is tipped over trees that are laying flat on ground. The areas where this occurs has a stem count of maple regen with a splattering of different age balsam.
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Post by batman on Apr 3, 2019 19:52:46 GMT -6
Deer use elevation to bed. I have watched them switch hill sides when the wind changes on multiple occassions. Lap rat knows it.
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Post by terrifictom on Apr 3, 2019 20:04:20 GMT -6
I have a south facing slope with flat spots/ benches. They seem to use this for bedding most of the time. Wind doesn't seem to matter. They just use different tipped over trees to bed by on slope depending on wind direction.
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Post by Bob on Apr 3, 2019 23:05:11 GMT -6
If you were going to construct bedding benches on the downwind side of a ridge, what features would make it work? Next time I rent a bobcat (not the neutered mutt from SD) I am going to put some flat spots 1/3 of the way from the top for different winds in the preserve to see how often the deer use them. Stem density/felled trees/back cover/side cover/grass/view/size/?
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Post by Sandbur on Apr 4, 2019 3:51:55 GMT -6
If you were going to construct bedding benches on the downwind side of a ridge, what features would make it work? Next time I rent a bobcat (not the neutered mutt from SD) I am going to put some flat spots 1/3 of the way from the top for different winds in the preserve to see how often the deer use them. Stem density/felled trees/back cover/side cover/grass/view/size/? I am speaking of mostly mule deer bedding in the hills and ranchlands. Bedding often occurred on those benches with a larger bush type red cedar behind/over them and a short bush in front of them that seemed to hold the lip of the bench from washing away. Grass was very short as these were dry areas and were grazed.
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Post by jbird on Apr 4, 2019 7:00:47 GMT -6
My deer like to bed in a way so they can use elevation to their advantage whenever possible. Typically this means their back to the wind with decent back cover. Not just quality but also quantity. They seem to like this "buffer" to them if it makes noise or the like...these areas tend to be high stem count areas on my place. Saplings, MFR, brambles, and the like...something that hinders a predator from being able to get too close without detection. Then 180 degrees from that is a commanding view. Much less stem density but not wide open. This way they can use their eyes to detect movement from a distance. A bench simply helps create these conditions in a more condensed area.
The one true bench I have is on a bank that the elevation change is probably a good 50 feet. Its in an area where my upland ag field then transitions down to my floodplain ag field. This transition area is maybe 100 feet deep but runs for several 100 yards long. The bench is roughly 3/4 the way up the slope and faces south (big help). In this spot the deer have a view of roughly 30 acres of ground. I have a 30 foot field buffer on the upland side that is mostly weeds, brambles and saplings, and another 120 foot wide buffer of weeds and switchgrass on the downhill side. There is a well worn deer trail at the base of the slope as well. The bench itself is maybe 10 yards deep but roughly 30 yards long. Fairly flat without much brush. Another key is the deer need to have a realistic means of getting in and out...mine tend to walk across the slope vs going straight up and down.
I have hinged some stuff in the area and free up some young oaks. Other than that I simply stay out and only remove fallen limbs and the like. I'll see if I can't dig up some pictures..
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Post by jbird on Apr 4, 2019 7:21:54 GMT -6
Lets see if I can get these to post... So this is looking lengthwise along the bench - Higher ground to the left lower to the right. You can see how flat and just naturally open this is. This spot is maybe 10 feet difference in elevation from the bench to the top. This is a little hinging I did simply to try to create a little over head cover that I felt was lacking...most of these trees are hackberry and are fairly worthless. I have no idea if the hinging helped or not. Here you can see some idea of the view over the lower area the deer would have. You also get an idea of the elevation difference between the bench and the lower area as well...
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Post by jbird on Apr 4, 2019 7:23:09 GMT -6
One last pic I have... Here is a view of the bench lengthwise from the other direction.... In this pic the high ground is to the right. Here is a little bit of an ugly layout of where this is situated... The "H" is the high ground and the "L" the low. You can see how the deer have a commanding view over that entire bottom area. The red line is the beginning of the slope.
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Post by jbird on Apr 4, 2019 7:33:03 GMT -6
Hire Tony L. to come out? I'm sure someone from a local QDMA chapter would be willing to come give him some suggestions.
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Post by Catscratch on Apr 4, 2019 7:42:44 GMT -6
Never made a bench, but I have a long bluff with a natural bench 1/3rd of the way down from the top. The bench is used extensively for travel. It runs north and south, faces west. Anywhere that has a cut that turns the bench towards the south has beds. The best spot on the entire place is a bench facing south that has an opening in the canopy and good grass growing there. Random beds tend to near a blowdown tree or cedar tree (back to the tree).
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Post by batman on Apr 4, 2019 7:49:42 GMT -6
Here is a little bit of an ugly layout of where this is situated... The "H" is the high ground and the "L" the low. You can see how the deer have a commanding view over that entire bottom area. The red line is the beginning of the slope. Bird - So if you bump deer bedded do they head east or west so they can stay in cover as an escape vs running down the hill into the open field?
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Post by batman on Apr 4, 2019 7:52:41 GMT -6
The best spot on the entire place is a bench facing south that has an opening in the canopy and good grass growing there. Random beds tend to near a blowdown tree or cedar tree (back to the tree). The grass seems a draw, similar to what Art alluded to. The grass is low cover the direction they are facing. They can see through it but they are semihidden?
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Post by Catscratch on Apr 4, 2019 8:06:50 GMT -6
The grass is low (ankle high as it's laid over). Best I can describe it; a warm sunny spot you would take a nap in after turkey hunting all morning. The rest of the bluff is mostly leaf litter on the ground.
To answer the question to j-bird; deer on my place almost always go to the high ground to escape, never run down hill to escape. It's always into an open pasture also. They are quick to leave the trees.
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