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Post by honker on Apr 12, 2019 8:25:45 GMT -6
He has been posting a bunch of videos since January. A few of them I liked, but I’ll admit I was confused as hell about the Doe Factory and Buck Vacuum videos. It seems liked the entire video was just repeating the title over and over without offering any real solid advice. Glad to hear I wasn’t the only one feeling that way.
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Post by jbird on Apr 12, 2019 10:28:13 GMT -6
I have read his books and I like some of his topics and the like, but I can't say I follow everything he says/writes. I am a big fan of his "depth of cover" concept and it helped me see the light as to holding deer on my place (my inability to do so) and thus take things in a different direction which helped me in the long run.
First video - What I got from it. We are at a party...each room in the house is a different "property". The women (does) and kids (fawns) are congregating around the dinner food (large, primary, non-hunting season food) and snacks in the dinning room and kitchen. That tends to mean the men (bucks) will be found in the den, basement, garage...hiding. Typically in much smaller groups away from the noise and racket of socializing. Men will have our snacks to tide us over, but ain't worried about dinner until it's actually on the table in the dinning room. So if we as hunters make our properties the "den, basement or garage" vs the "dinning room" we can use this to our advantage. The men will go out for dinner but only when they have to...other wise they are hiding in the den. Now, if we as hunters put some cake (fall "candy" food sources in hunting season) in the "den" where we know the men are hanging out what happens? The ladies come looking for it...the men no longer have to go looking for the ladies as much when they are looking for some love. The ladies are coming to them (maybe for a different reason...but the men don't care now) and as the ladies continue to trickle in sooner or later the other men are going to follow the ladies to see who is hoarding all the hoes! That is the vacuum I think Jeff is talking about. As the women move to the food sources outside of the hunting season...this can create a void on our properties that then attract the bucks.
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Post by benmnwi on Apr 12, 2019 11:34:57 GMT -6
That's just south of coon valley, isn't it? In jeffs book he referenced having a lease there and there there's a property there with similar looking plots. You got it! I grew up on hwy 14 half way between westby and Viroqua. The whole county is good hunting and seems to be kicking out some real monsters the last 5 years My grandparents lived in Westby and I hunted SE of Viroqua along the Kickapoo River. That area has the best deer and turkey habitat I've ever seen. Too much hunting pressure on the farm my relatives still hunt there, so back in 2006 I decided to go out on my own and buy my own land in northern Wisconsin. So I left the best deer hunting area in WI for a crappy one! Not my brightest move. Every time we visited my grandparent's place there growing up we would fish the reservoirs in the area - Jersey Valley, the old Avalanche dam, Sidie Hollow and a pile of the trout streams. That's just an awesome area and the Westby cheese curds can't be beat either! |
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Post by snowracerh on Apr 12, 2019 11:43:32 GMT -6
You got it! I grew up on hwy 14 half way between westby and Viroqua. The whole county is good hunting and seems to be kicking out some real monsters the last 5 years My grandparents lived in Westby and I hunted SE of Viroqua along the Kickapoo River. That area has the best deer and turkey habitat I've ever seen. Too much hunting pressure on the farm my relatives still hunt there, so back in 2006 I decided to go out on my own and buy my own land in northern Wisconsin. So I left the best deer hunting area in WI for a crappy one! Not my brightest move. Every time we visited my grandparent's place there growing up we would fish the reservoirs in the area - Jersey Valley, the old Avalanche dam, Sidie Hollow and a pile of the trout streams. That's just an awesome area and the Westby cheese curds can't be beat either! I got a couple 24+ inch browns in the spillway below the Seasbranch lake and rode my bike to that lake every week as a kid (assume thats the same Avalanche dam you were referencing). I also used to hunt a 1/2 mile west of avalanche on county Y. If you know where the three chimney rock is, my parents have an 80 right nect to that. I live in Hudson now, but am headed down there for the weekend! Also fished Jersey Valley in the past - the damn broke and the lake drained last fall with all the heavy rains. |
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Post by snowracerh on Apr 12, 2019 11:48:55 GMT -6
Yup^^^ I have been past that property and likely trout fish in the same streams as snowracer. If you are not killing(or at the very least seeing) nice bucks down in that area with at least some kind of regularity, you don't know what the hell you are doing. My co-workers family owns 2 farms west of there towards the big river and they kill a hog at least every other year or so and they do nothing special other than show up in the woods.
I think the title of the video should be "Sturgis: Monkey fuck factory"
Thats awesome. Im sure we know some of the same people then. We used to camp and fish off the conservation club to the west and walk the stream to town |
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Post by benmnwi on Apr 12, 2019 11:56:57 GMT -6
I've never heard that called Seasbranch lake, but I just looked on an aerial photo and that's the lake we always called the Avalanche lake. When I was a kid I wasn't sneaky enough to catch many trout in streams, but that pool below that spillway was always a good trout producer for us. We did pretty well on crappies on the main lake a few times as well, but I haven't fished there in years. The aerial photo made that lake look a lot more shallow than I remember it though.
Jersey Valley was always a good lake for big panfish and some decent trout. My relatives would tell me about the issues there though - it seems like they had a bunch of manure spills kill everything there and then some of the dam issues you referenced.
That's a great area for hunting and fishing.
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Post by kabic on Apr 12, 2019 12:21:02 GMT -6
Do they allow hunting in the Kickapoo Valley Reserve, or is that just a giant sanctuary?
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Post by Bwoods11 on Apr 12, 2019 13:09:45 GMT -6
I actually see some good points in the Sturgis video, but what do you do. I’m in areas with good doe numbers. We try to improve the habitat, leave a sanctuary and leave food. Seems to work, but we still have not shot that true giant.
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Post by nhmountains on Apr 12, 2019 13:24:50 GMT -6
Mission accomplished if you are confused now. Pick up the phone and get him over to straighten your mess up. That's the first explanation of his stuff that makes sense to me. SD, if you have plenty of does and no bucks are showing (night or day) then I think his plan won't work for you. You can't shoot them if they're not there. I do think the changes I've made on my land have made it more suitable for doe and fawns. They've kicked the bucks out and made it their home but, come November the bucks show up as long as those does are there. Bucks here will travel miles during the rut in search of does. His trick wouldn't work for me unless I so,sly concentrated on early archery. |
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Post by Reagan on Apr 12, 2019 16:08:32 GMT -6
I have 15 years of hunting my old place and my dad’s. I just don’t see the doe factory that he describes.
Both places have a good number of deer and they hold does and bucks all year.
I’ve had a camera on salt for several years. I get pics of many does and several bucks all summer. I don’t think the bucks bed near the does all year but they certainly hit the same plot and salt.
Some bucks might shift away in the fall. Some new ones might show up. And some are there from summer through the rut.
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Post by sd51555 on Apr 12, 2019 17:44:42 GMT -6
That's the first explanation of his stuff that makes sense to me. SD, if you have plenty of does and no bucks are showing (night or day) then I think his plan won't work for you. You can't shoot them if they're not there. I do think the changes I've made on my land have made it more suitable for doe and fawns. They've kicked the bucks out and made it their home but, come November the bucks show up as long as those does are there. Bucks here will travel miles during the rut in search of does. His trick wouldn't work for me unless I so,sly concentrated on early archery. When we had good plots, we had piles of deer, and with them some bucks. This past year was the worst I'd seen for deer sign and sightings. I've hunted all over on public land up there that is very secluded, untouched, and downright hard to get to. I've spent days (weeks over the years) in those areas and never seen a deer. There's just too much dead habitat up there. I've got a lot more to try or perfect yet this year. 1. Moving the stands back even further 2. Continue smart access 3. No trail cameras 4. Stay out as much as possible 5. Don't force it if the winds aren't right Until I can say I've done those 5 things well, I'm not throwing out the food plots. Deer are gonna need some help getting caught up this year, and I'm gonna do it with barley and gypsum. |
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Post by sd51555 on Apr 12, 2019 17:46:39 GMT -6
The impression I've gotten from Sturgis is that any land improvement is going to be taken by does in family court anyway, so it doesn't pay to have plots, be near an ag field, or a clear cut.
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Post by nhmountains on Apr 12, 2019 18:06:58 GMT -6
The impression I've gotten from Sturgis is that any land improvement is going to be taken by does in family court anyway, so it doesn't pay to have plots, be near an ag field, or a clear cut. The Drurys and Mo seem to have big bucks show up during daylight on food plots. |
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Post by sd51555 on Apr 12, 2019 19:34:14 GMT -6
The impression I've gotten from Sturgis is that any land improvement is going to be taken by does in family court anyway, so it doesn't pay to have plots, be near an ag field, or a clear cut. The Drurys and Mo seem to have big bucks show up during daylight on food plots. This is why I think Batman nailed it. I don't think any of us are that dumb that we can't follow some instructions. So we do things to a T, and yet they don't work out. Then comes the piecemeal feeding of why your perfect execution of a plan didn't work. 0. I'm not seeing enough deer 1. You need a food plot 2. You have too many does 3. You need to get rid of the food plots 4. I'm not seeing enough deer 5. You need a food plot |
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Post by nhmountains on Apr 12, 2019 19:48:52 GMT -6
The Drurys and Mo seem to have big bucks show up during daylight on food plots. This is why I think Batman nailed it. I don't think any of us are that dumb that we can't follow some instructions. So we do things to a T, and yet they don't work out. Then comes the piecemeal feeding of why your perfect execution of a plan didn't work. 0. I'm not seeing enough deer 1. You need a food plot 2. You have too many does 3. You need to get rid of the food plots 4. I'm not seeing enough deer 5. You need a food plot The other factor is location, location, location. |
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