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Post by Freeborn on Mar 2, 2017 10:41:57 GMT -6
More information needs to know about this. There are counties in Colorado that are reporting record levels of new-born babies with drug addictions. All these children have higher levels of learning and behavior problems. This is complicated and we better know what we are doing before we open the flood gates to allot of problems.
You want to stop drugs in America, shut off the use. Mandatory drug testing (monthly) for all citizens particularly anybody who gets their money from government (Federal and State Employees, teachers, Welfare recipients).
I would not have a problem taking a drug test.
I'm against mandatory drug testing for all citizens. That would just be more big brother. Counties in Colorado. Record drug addictions. These phrases caught my eye. Is Colorado mentioned in these reports because they legalized marijuana? Are these babies addicted to marijuana or something else? Is the number of addicted babies growing across the country too?
There is an epidemic of heroin and meth. Your rarely heard of anyone using either 5-10-20 years ago. Now I have a cousins, acquaintances, kids of my customers etc etc who use, overdose and die. People OD on heroin while driving on I275 around Cincinnati every week. I think when people single out Colorado or another state that has legalized pot to use as an anti drug argument, it's falls flat. Pot legalization doesn't increase hard drug usage. Pot is not much different than everything listed on the beer thread. There are millions of pot users in this country who work, pay taxes and are good citizens. It is not a demon drug. I suspect the number of pot users in Colorado is about the same as it was before they legalized it. When drugs are illegal they are harder to get. If they are harder to get, they become expensive. If they are expensive, there is money to be made. Where there is money, there is organized crime, cartels etc. If a person could grow pot like they grow tomatoes, the price of each would be similar. There would be no reason for a Mexican cartel to work so hard to import it because it wouldn't be profitable. I think the same applies to any drug. The difference is others can't be grown as easily as a tomato and they have much worse consequences for the user. But making any of them illegal is not slowing the usage or importation down. Stupid people who make bad decisions will always exist. A percentage of them will always find a drug to use Colorado is a perfect test case as a before and after test of the effects of Marijuana on people particularly those who are most vulnerable. Yes what I have read is newborns have dangerous Levels of THC. Is Marijuana growing in use across America I don’t know but if you legalize it and make it a norm of behavior it will increase greatly. From what I understand Colorado is seeing very similar issues like Amsterdam, a huge influx of drug users are moving into the state.
Were suppose to protect vulnerable people (including those who are unknowing) from hurting themselves.
Unfortunately marijuana is very similar to alcohol and in some ways better but in one way (you can conceal it while using it) very dangerous. I would not want my taxi driver, airline pilot, physician either drunk or high.
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Post by chummer16 on Mar 2, 2017 12:40:25 GMT -6
If we can go to the moon I think they can make a wall that won't be breached in 20 minutes. It's not about the lettuce pickers, it's about the drugs and criminals. Someday, if not already it will be about terrorists. We are already spending millions to protect the border. There is a reason the DEA, ICE agents, and border patrol want the wall. I will value their opinion over the snowflakes afraid of hurting someone's feelings. Of course they want the wall, basically guarantees them income forever. I don't ask the barber if I need a haircut. Want to get rid of the drug problem, legalize and regulate it. Take away the cartel's source of income and they lose there power. But of course the legal system and prison system full of people guilty of non violent drug crimes would lost their huge source of $$. That makes no sense. If the wall stops drugs and criminals we would need less of the agencies listed above. Legalize weed all you want. Legalize cocaine, heroin, crystal meth...that would be disastrous. Cartels will always just move to the next most lucrative drug. You stop the cartel by stopping access to their market. My friend is DEA and the amount of heroine flowing into this country is crazy, and it is slowly working its way to every small town in America. The overall majority comes across the Mexican border. Even in Upstate NY our nightly news is filled with drug deaths and drug related crimes. No one has an answer, and billions of dollars have not solved the problem, next up the Wall.
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Post by chummer16 on Mar 2, 2017 12:50:50 GMT -6
I'll support mandatory drug testing for all U.S. citizens as soon as alcohol is added to the list of what we're testing for....and the tests should occur on a random basis, including any time of the day on every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Alcohol destroys more lives in this country than all illegal drugs combined...and it's use is promoted by all kinds of famous people.I equate mandatory drug testing with the same invasion of privacy as mandatory registration of my firearms. Fuck the government...who are they to say what I can and cannot do/own? Based on recent reports it seems the 2nd worst drug is legally prescribed opiates. And pharmaceutical companies will likely due their best to fight any regulations that try to change that. I remember reading the drug company Endo changed a pain killer formula to prevent crushing and snorting the drugs and the revenue dropped by 100s of millions. Until people figured out how to inject it. Opiates lead to heroine, heroine is now cheaper and easier to get. Maybe the only thing I ever agree with schummer on but he passed a law limiting how doctors prescribe them. That is a start in stopping people from being introduced to opiates but pushed a lot of people to heroine.
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Post by chummer16 on Mar 2, 2017 12:54:04 GMT -6
The war on drugs is unwinnable, anybody who believes differently is foolish. Want to "win" the war on drugs? Better figure out the demand for them instead of who is supplying them. Marijuana should be legalized and taxed. Problem solved. Harder drugs...I don't know what the answer is, but do know that decades of a war on them has done nothing except cost us billions. Maybe try spending those billions on treatment and research regarding the demand for them. www.vice.com/en_us/article/whos-getting-rich-off-the-prison-industrial-complex The war on drugs is all about making billions. The wall will fix everything, it's gonna be a great wall. With footings a thousand feet deep so they can't tunnel under it. It's going to be 75,000 feet high so they can't fly or climb over it. It's going to extend 100 miles into the ocean so they can't go around it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_the_United_States19 million Mexican tourists visited the US in 2015 legally. How is the wall going to stop them from deciding to not go home? Trump is very good at sound bites and making issues appear to be black and white, good vs evil. The reality is nothing is that simple. "Build that wall" is a great campaign slogan when the majority of your constituency is angry white people. Actually building the wall is a terrible waste of resources, awful diplomacy, damaging to government relationships and private commerce with Mexico and Mexicans, and in general just a stupid fucking idea. That wall sounds fantastic, like the best biggest wall ever.
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Post by westbranch on Mar 2, 2017 13:09:34 GMT -6
Of course they want the wall, basically guarantees them income forever. I don't ask the barber if I need a haircut. Want to get rid of the drug problem, legalize and regulate it. Take away the cartel's source of income and they lose there power. But of course the legal system and prison system full of people guilty of non violent drug crimes would lost their huge source of $$. That makes no sense. If the wall stops drugs and criminals we would need less of the agencies listed above. Legalize weed all you want. Legalize cocaine, heroin, crystal meth...that would be disastrous. Cartels will always just move to the next most lucrative drug. You stop the cartel by stopping access to their market. My friend is DEA and the amount of heroine flowing into this country is crazy, and it is slowly working its way to every small town in America. The overall majority comes across the Mexican border. Even in Upstate NY our nightly news is filled with drug deaths and drug related crimes. No one has an answer, and billions of dollars have not solved the problem, next up the Wall. Those DEA, ICE and border patrol agents would be the ones staffing and monitoring the wall and the people that are allowed through it. Unless it is like the wall Mclovin mentions, than yes we can lay off all those gov't employees and that will pay for a small part of the wall. Yes, billions of dollars on the drug war has not solved the problem and it seems that a wall solving this problem is a pretty big if. I would do just as much weed, cocaine, heroin and meth if it is legal as I do now, and I would guess that is the same for >99% of the people out there.
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Post by chummer16 on Mar 2, 2017 17:28:32 GMT -6
I just don't think these hard drugs can go unchecked. Even if they don't effect you directly we are paying for treatment, hospitalization, and incarceration of a growing population of drug users. I suppose if you legalize them there would be a rapid increase in deaths and they would become more taboo and eventually go the path of tobacco.
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Post by smsmith on Mar 2, 2017 18:58:10 GMT -6
^^^tax the piss out of them and maybe it would pay for treatment for those who need it.
The drug problem requires a demand based solution, not a supply based one.
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Post by Foggy on Mar 2, 2017 20:14:03 GMT -6
I just don't think these hard drugs can go unchecked. Even if they don't effect you directly we are paying for treatment, hospitalization, and incarceration of a growing population of drug users. I suppose if you legalize them there would be a rapid increase in deaths and they would become more taboo and eventually go the path of tobacco. ^ I dont buy that. Why should i pay for problems the are self-induced? Not saying I don't feel some level of responsibility for the next guy.....but it gets old paying for bad stuff that others perform. Why wont "they" pay my greens fees? Just saying.
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Post by smsmith on Mar 2, 2017 20:21:17 GMT -6
Why do childless couples have to pay for educating other people's' kids?
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Post by Foggy on Mar 2, 2017 20:24:11 GMT -6
Why do childless couples have to pay for educating other people's' kids? They don't in OZ. Lots of retirement communities here that pay NO school taxes. Nadda. Zip. Zero. Not sure that is the entire answer.....but it is a consideration. My taxes here on a $400,000 home are $1000. per year. And insurance is $400 per year. Cheap living here. Just saying.
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Post by Freeborn on Mar 2, 2017 21:02:28 GMT -6
Why do childless couples have to pay for educating other people's' kids? They don't in OZ. Lots of retirement communities here that pay NO school taxes. Nadda. Zip. Zero. Not sure that is the entire answer.....but it is a consideration. My taxes here on a $400,000 home are $1000. per year. And insurance is $400 per year. Cheap living here. Just saying. Sign me up for $1000 per year. I won't comment on taxes in the Twin Cities. I bet Gull makes up for OZ.
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Post by chummer16 on Mar 2, 2017 21:26:24 GMT -6
I just don't think these hard drugs can go unchecked. Even if they don't effect you directly we are paying for treatment, hospitalization, and incarceration of a growing population of drug users. I suppose if you legalize them there would be a rapid increase in deaths and they would become more taboo and eventually go the path of tobacco. ^ I dont buy that. Why should i pay for problems the are self-induced? Not saying I don't feel some level of responsibility for the next guy.....but it gets old paying for bad stuff that others perform. Why wont "they" pay my greens fees? Just saying. You don't have a choice. Whether they end up in the hospital or prison you are paying. Tax payers or anyone paying for health care are on the hook for both. They aren't paying for their prison stay and they aren't paying the thousands they owe when they show up in the ER for an over dose. It all gets passed on to us.
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Post by Foggy on Mar 2, 2017 21:48:54 GMT -6
They don't in OZ. Lots of retirement communities here that pay NO school taxes. Nadda. Zip. Zero. Not sure that is the entire answer.....but it is a consideration. My taxes here on a $400,000 home are $1000. per year. And insurance is $400 per year. Cheap living here. Just saying. Sign me up for $1000 per year. I won't comment on taxes in the Twin Cities. I bet Gull makes up for OZ. PGull lake is absolutely crazy on real eastate tax. Then....gov goofy wants to increase the tax on seasonal homes??? WTF is wrong with this state??? I grew up here and prospered here.....but one has to wonder why anyone would stay here for the tax abuse. Minnesota will drive away the folks that are paying the freight....and you will have shit to show for it. Sad.
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Post by Freeborn on Mar 3, 2017 5:53:57 GMT -6
Sign me up for $1000 per year. I won't comment on taxes in the Twin Cities. I bet Gull makes up for OZ. PGull lake is absolutely crazy on real eastate tax. Then....gov goofy wants to increase the tax on seasonal homes??? WTF is wrong with this state??? I grew up here and prospered here.....but one has to wonder why anyone would stay here for the tax abuse. Minnesota will drive away the folks that are paying the freight....and you will have shit to show for it. Sad.Minnesota is going to see a huge demographic shift when the boomers retire. I'm betting the state sees a political shift also as the reality of the cost of progressive policies starts to hit people. I know our family has paid our share and I think its fair that in retirement I should not be burdened with this states taxes. Arizona or bust in 202?.
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Post by chummer16 on Mar 4, 2017 6:35:28 GMT -6
Trump saying Obama had him wire taped prior to election. Can't wait to see where this goes. No need to watch House of Cards any more they can't top this shit.
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