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Post by Freeborn on Mar 2, 2017 9:19:54 GMT -6
The wall represents an attempt to have legal and fair immigration for everyone. Who doesn't want that?
I have a friend who married a very talented software developer from Russia (her parents worked in the equivalent of NASA). It took her over 10 years, 2 children and $50k in lawyer fees to become a citizen. She is now a very high paid employee of US bank and paying significant taxes. She represents the typical immigration path and not what you see occurring with Mexicans or immigrants from war torn countries.
I would like a fair system but politics have made a mess of it. If you think the Democrats aren't bias towards open borders just for votes you are kidding yourself. It will be interesting to see how the Democrats fight to get their way, it won't be through fair representation like our elected officials it will be through some left wing judge who is bought and paid for by the left.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Mar 2, 2017 9:25:13 GMT -6
AND MEXICO IS PAYING FOR IT! hahaha Everything I've read says American consumers will pay for it via tariffs on Mexican made goods. I'm not for a big border tax... but if we put a 5% tax on imported goods from Mexico, I don't think our prices would change much. Would they immediately bump prices of cars, beer, produce...tequila up 5%... They still have to compete with domestic and foreign products. |
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Post by Freeborn on Mar 2, 2017 9:26:21 GMT -6
If we can go to the moon I think they can make a wall that won't be breached in 20 minutes. It's not about the lettuce pickers, it's about the drugs and criminals. Someday, if not already it will be about terrorists. We are already spending millions to protect the border. There is a reason the DEA, ICE agents, and border patrol want the wall. I will value their opinion over the snowflakes afraid of hurting someone's feelings. Of course they want the wall, basically guarantees them income forever. I don't ask the barber if I need a haircut. Want to get rid of the drug problem, legalize and regulate it. Take away the cartel's source of income and they lose there power. But of course the legal system and prison system full of people guilty of non violent drug crimes would lost their huge source of $$. More information needs to know about this. There are counties in Colorado that are reporting record levels of new-born babies with drug addictions. All these children have higher levels of learning and behavior problems. This is complicated and we better know what we are doing before we open the flood gates to allot of problems.
You want to stop drugs in America, shut off the use. Mandatory drug testing (monthly) for all citizens particularly anybody who gets their money from government (Federal and State Employees, teachers, Welfare recipients).
I would not have a problem taking a drug test.
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Post by Foggy on Mar 2, 2017 9:27:23 GMT -6
A nation without borders and immigration laws is not a nation. Its a mess......and that is what sensible people want to avoid. I wish there was a better solution than a wall too......but we gotta make a good effort to make changes in this area....IMO. Will there always be somebody evading the border?.....sure, but at least the large numbers can be put back in control.
It's out of control the way it is now. And it's gone waaaay to far and too long.
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Post by Freeborn on Mar 2, 2017 9:28:12 GMT -6
hahaha Everything I've read says American consumers will pay for it via tariffs on Mexican made goods. I'm not for a big border tax... but if we put a 5% tax on imported goods from Mexico, I don't think our prices would change much. Would they immediately bump prices of cars, beer, produce...tequila up 5%... They still have to compete with domestic and foreign products. Agree with this, there are alternative places to source products and Mexico knows it. |
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Post by westbranch on Mar 2, 2017 9:39:33 GMT -6
Of course they want the wall, basically guarantees them income forever. I don't ask the barber if I need a haircut. Want to get rid of the drug problem, legalize and regulate it. Take away the cartel's source of income and they lose there power. But of course the legal system and prison system full of people guilty of non violent drug crimes would lost their huge source of $$. More information needs to know about this. There are counties in Colorado that are reporting record levels of new-born babies with drug addictions. All these children have higher levels of learning and behavior problems. This is complicated and we better know what we are doing before we open the flood gates to allot of problems.
You want to stop drugs in America, shut off the use. Mandatory drug testing (monthly) for all citizens particularly anybody who gets their money from government (Federal and State Employees, teachers, Welfare recipients).
I would not have a problem taking a drug test.
That was not something I expected to read. I do have a problem with being required to take a drug test, it doesn't matter that I would pass it. Where does alcohol and tobacco fall into this? There are many out there that can't handle those drugs responsibility, so why should they be legal for everyone else? There are still cases of fetal alcohol syndrome, if we should ban pot due to concerns about babies, why not ban alcohol? Or maybe some programs around education and providing assistance to people is a better use of $ than prohibition and an expanded police state. |
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Post by sd51555 on Mar 2, 2017 9:42:21 GMT -6
hahaha Everything I've read says American consumers will pay for it via tariffs on Mexican made goods. I'm not for a big border tax... but if we put a 5% tax on imported goods from Mexico, I don't think our prices would change much. Would they immediately bump prices of cars, beer, produce...tequila up 5%... They still have to compete with domestic and foreign products. The border tax needs to be aggressive. It's not revenue driven, it's about moving the cheese back to the states. If it's not a significant enough burden, nothing will change other than we'll all be paying a slightly higher price for cheap shit made elsewhere. It likely gets even murkier when you look at American parts sent abroad to be assembled and brought back, in terms of how that would be handled.
The big idea is to replace a chunk of the corporate income tax with a tariff and get the jobs back with it. I think net net, it'll be a big improvement. Otherwise, we're just a nation of unemployed people getting good prices at Walmart.
This whole thing would make a great case study for an economics class for a semester. You could track the impacts a long ways and learn in real time. We did that after 9/11 in my econ course.
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Post by sd51555 on Mar 2, 2017 9:50:42 GMT -6
More information needs to know about this. There are counties in Colorado that are reporting record levels of new-born babies with drug addictions. All these children have higher levels of learning and behavior problems. This is complicated and we better know what we are doing before we open the flood gates to allot of problems.
You want to stop drugs in America, shut off the use. Mandatory drug testing (monthly) for all citizens particularly anybody who gets their money from government (Federal and State Employees, teachers, Welfare recipients).
I would not have a problem taking a drug test.
That was not something I expected to read. I do have a problem with being required to take a drug test, it doesn't matter that I would pass it. Where does alcohol and tobacco fall into this? There are many out there that can't handle those drugs responsibility, so why should they be legal for everyone else? There are still cases of fetal alcohol syndrome, if we should ban pot due to concerns about babies, why not ban alcohol? Or maybe some programs around education and providing assistance to people is a better use of $ than prohibition and an expanded police state. The best science to deal with all that is economics. The effect has been largely taken away in the cause and effect of stupid decisions. Biggest tragedy in our country is what happens to all the professional teen mom welfare queens when the kids grow up and no longer stand as pawns to accumulate "'bennies" for the mom. 25 years outta the labor force is a death sentence for someone that was a pro on the take. |
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Post by Freeborn on Mar 2, 2017 10:00:12 GMT -6
More information needs to know about this. There are counties in Colorado that are reporting record levels of new-born babies with drug addictions. All these children have higher levels of learning and behavior problems. This is complicated and we better know what we are doing before we open the flood gates to allot of problems.
You want to stop drugs in America, shut off the use. Mandatory drug testing (monthly) for all citizens particularly anybody who gets their money from government (Federal and State Employees, teachers, Welfare recipients).
I would not have a problem taking a drug test.
That was not something I expected to read. I do have a problem with being required to take a drug test, it doesn't matter that I would pass it. Where does alcohol and tobacco fall into this? There are many out there that can't handle those drugs responsibility, so why should they be legal for everyone else? There are still cases of fetal alcohol syndrome, if we should ban pot due to concerns about babies, why not ban alcohol? Or maybe some programs around education and providing assistance to people is a better use of $ than prohibition and an expanded police state. Two wrongs don't make it right. Alcohol use by Pregnant women should be minimized so not to affect newborns. How, not certain but handing out Pamphlets is probably not going to do much. Introducing another risk to society like drugs as a norm of behavior is not a good idea. |
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Post by Reagan on Mar 2, 2017 10:14:39 GMT -6
Of course they want the wall, basically guarantees them income forever. I don't ask the barber if I need a haircut. Want to get rid of the drug problem, legalize and regulate it. Take away the cartel's source of income and they lose there power. But of course the legal system and prison system full of people guilty of non violent drug crimes would lost their huge source of $$. More information needs to know about this. There are counties in Colorado that are reporting record levels of new-born babies with drug addictions. All these children have higher levels of learning and behavior problems. This is complicated and we better know what we are doing before we open the flood gates to allot of problems.
You want to stop drugs in America, shut off the use. Mandatory drug testing (monthly) for all citizens particularly anybody who gets their money from government (Federal and State Employees, teachers, Welfare recipients).
I would not have a problem taking a drug test.
I'm against mandatory drug testing for all citizens. That would just be more big brother. Counties in Colorado. Record drug addictions. These phrases caught my eye. Is Colorado mentioned in these reports because they legalized marijuana? Are these babies addicted to marijuana or something else? Is the number of addicted babies growing across the country too? There is an epidemic of heroin and meth. Your rarely heard of anyone using either 5-10-20 years ago. Now I have a cousins, acquaintances, kids of my customers etc etc who use, overdose and die. People OD on heroin while driving on I275 around Cincinnati every week. I think when people single out Colorado or another state that has legalized pot to use as an anti drug argument, it's falls flat. Pot legalization doesn't increase hard drug usage. Pot is not much different than everything listed on the beer thread. There are millions of pot users in this country who work, pay taxes and are good citizens. It is not a demon drug. I suspect the number of pot users in Colorado is about the same as it was before they legalized it. When drugs are illegal they are harder to get. If they are harder to get, they become expensive. If they are expensive, there is money to be made. Where there is money, there is organized crime, cartels etc. If a person could grow pot like they grow tomatoes, the price of each would be similar. There would be no reason for a Mexican cartel to work so hard to import it because it wouldn't be profitable. I think the same applies to any drug. The difference is others can't be grown as easily as a tomato and they have much worse consequences for the user. But making any of them illegal is not slowing the usage or importation down. Stupid people who make bad decisions will always exist. A percentage of them will always find a drug to use |
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Post by mclovin on Mar 2, 2017 10:22:08 GMT -6
The war on drugs is unwinnable, anybody who believes differently is foolish. Want to "win" the war on drugs? Better figure out the demand for them instead of who is supplying them. Marijuana should be legalized and taxed. Problem solved. Harder drugs...I don't know what the answer is, but do know that decades of a war on them has done nothing except cost us billions. Maybe try spending those billions on treatment and research regarding the demand for them. The war on drugs is all about making billions. The wall will fix everything, it's gonna be a great wall. With footings a thousand feet deep so they can't tunnel under it. It's going to be 75,000 feet high so they can't fly or climb over it. It's going to extend 100 miles into the ocean so they can't go around it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_the_United_States19 million Mexican tourists visited the US in 2015 legally. How is the wall going to stop them from deciding to not go home? Trump is very good at sound bites and making issues appear to be black and white, good vs evil. The reality is nothing is that simple. "Build that wall" is a great campaign slogan when the majority of your constituency is angry white people. Actually building the wall is a terrible waste of resources, awful diplomacy, damaging to government relationships and private commerce with Mexico and Mexicans, and in general just a stupid fucking idea. |
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Post by smsmith on Mar 2, 2017 10:22:44 GMT -6
I'll support mandatory drug testing for all U.S. citizens as soon as alcohol is added to the list of what we're testing for....and the tests should occur on a random basis, including any time of the day on every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.
Alcohol destroys more lives in this country than all illegal drugs combined...and it's use is promoted by all kinds of famous people.
I equate mandatory drug testing with the same invasion of privacy as mandatory registration of my firearms. Fuck the government...who are they to say what I can and cannot do/own?
edit...and while we're at it, if we're "only" testing everybody who gets "government handouts" that better mean every farmer who gets a subsidy, every person who owns a house and gets any kind of tax credit/interest deduction, every person who gets "habitat welfare", etc. etc. etc.
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Post by mclovin on Mar 2, 2017 10:30:18 GMT -6
You want to stop drugs in America, shut off the use. Mandatory drug testing (monthly) for all citizens particularly anybody who gets their money from government (Federal and State Employees, teachers, Welfare recipients).
I would not have a problem taking a drug test.
WOW. While we're at it, how about mandatory genetic testing of all Americans and anybody with defective genes is immediately sterilized? Fuck it, let's round them up and euthanize them. I am amazed at how easily Americans give up their civil rights so they can feel better or safer. And I'm the fucking snowflake? |
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Post by westbranch on Mar 2, 2017 10:33:11 GMT -6
I'll support mandatory drug testing for all U.S. citizens as soon as alcohol is added to the list of what we're testing for....and the tests should occur on a random basis, including any time of the day on every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Alcohol destroys more lives in this country than all illegal drugs combined...and it's use is promoted by all kinds of famous people.I equate mandatory drug testing with the same invasion of privacy as mandatory registration of my firearms. Fuck the government...who are they to say what I can and cannot do/own? Based on recent reports it seems the 2nd worst drug is legally prescribed opiates. And pharmaceutical companies will likely due their best to fight any regulations that try to change that. I remember reading the drug company Endo changed a pain killer formula to prevent crushing and snorting the drugs and the revenue dropped by 100s of millions. Until people figured out how to inject it. |
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Post by smsmith on Mar 2, 2017 10:37:16 GMT -6
I'll support mandatory drug testing for all U.S. citizens as soon as alcohol is added to the list of what we're testing for....and the tests should occur on a random basis, including any time of the day on every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Alcohol destroys more lives in this country than all illegal drugs combined...and it's use is promoted by all kinds of famous people.I equate mandatory drug testing with the same invasion of privacy as mandatory registration of my firearms. Fuck the government...who are they to say what I can and cannot do/own? Based on recent reports it seems the 2nd worst drug is legally prescribed opiates. And pharmaceutical companies will likely due their best to fight any regulations that try to change that. I remember reading the drug company Endo changed a pain killer formula to prevent crushing and snorting the drugs and the revenue dropped by 100s of millions. Until people figured out how to inject it. I remember discussing the prescribing habits of some local physicians when I was teaching about 20 years ago. A number of my students figured out that all they had to do was go in, complain vociferously of terrible headaches/terrible backaches/terrible whatever aches and voila...a script for 25 percocets or vicodins would appear. Our school district spent a lot of time meeting with the local P.D. and social services. What happened to the Drs? Last I knew they were all still practicing. Big pharmaceutical has unbelievable power in the country |
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