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Post by batman on Apr 3, 2020 17:19:12 GMT -6
I think freeborns assessment is spot on. Lock in the susceptible. I see Them everywhere in Walmart. Protect (or warn) the at risk and let life move forward.
My parents are at an age they should not be out but you can’t tell them what to do.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Apr 3, 2020 17:21:09 GMT -6
Not to be harsh but they can't close the country for months for 2% of the country who many are already near death. At some point vulnerable people need to self isolate and manage their risk. At the end of 30 days NY and the rest of the country should be past its peak and decisions will have to be made. I don't know what that answer is but you can't shut down the country to the point where you do long term damage to many people for a small percentage of the country. Agree, I think we have have done what we can do...and in May it’s time for Plan B. You can’t live inside this long.
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Post by nhmountains on Apr 3, 2020 17:27:35 GMT -6
At some point, people will start to rebel. It sounds like many in metropolitan areas around the country never followed the stay at home rule. I think many more will follow if this gets extended into May. I suppose that will depend largely on the death toll though. Everything I am reading is the death percentage is going to be much lower than originally forecasted. Particularly sense they are not testing near the percentage of people they should. Im thinking they will come up with a medication That mitigates the symptoms before they have a vaccine. The $20 Dr Zelenko cocktail of Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate , zinc and Z-PAK seems like it should be given to anyone who has the symptoms and is admitted. Why on earth it isn’t being used across the board is beyond me. He’s treated 700+ patients now with 100% success. The issue is once someone gets on a ventilator it’s usually too late. Hit the virus early and the success would go up. The only thing I can think of is big pharma doesn’t want a cheap fix. www.rightnowmn.org/dr_vladimir_zelenko_has_now_treated_699_coronavirus_patients_with_100_success_using_hydroxychloroquine_sulfate_zinc_and_z_pak
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Post by Freeborn on Apr 3, 2020 17:34:15 GMT -6
I'm usually about as "pro-America" and "pro-capitalism" as possible....but I'm really disappointed with the lack of testing that is available in this country. Weeks ago, South Korea was testing close to 20,000 people daily. We have kits sitting in labs for weeks waiting to be tested. Without testing, we have zero idea of what we're really dealing with. We were told a couple weeks ago to not wear masks. Now, we're being told that wearing masks is probably a good idea. We as a country have dropped the ball on this one I fear. Why are people like Stephon Marbury and Robert Kraft flying to China and bringing back millions of masks? Fucking Vladimir Putin is sending us medical supplies. Not a stellar moment for the U.S. or capitalism. 3M was selling the N95 masks to foreign nations for a higher profits. Others were hoarding them. My wife says they’re not testing people with the symptoms unless they’re admitted to a hospital so we’re only seeing a small portion of the people with the virus show up in the CDC numbers. Keep in mind there’s a risk of those people infecting large swaths of people and not know it. The numbers of deaths in New York have jumped up to over 2% of those with the confirmed with the virus. I’d like to see the numbers on what percentage of those people would’ve died within 6 months anyways. I think that’s a factor. I have seen that Italy said 50% would’ve died within 6 months regardless of the virus. That's pretty sad of 3m and others, not a fine moment for management of those companies. I don't know if they broke any laws but I would publish a list of the companies and hurt their brand equity.
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Post by Freeborn on Apr 3, 2020 17:36:38 GMT -6
Everything I am reading is the death percentage is going to be much lower than originally forecasted. Particularly sense they are not testing near the percentage of people they should. Im thinking they will come up with a medication That mitigates the symptoms before they have a vaccine. The $20 Dr Zelenko cocktail of Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate , zinc and Z-PAK seems like it should be given to anyone who has the symptoms and is admitted. Why on earth it isn’t being used across the board is beyond me. He’s treated 700+ patients now with 100% success. The issue is once someone gets on a ventilator it’s usually too late. Hit the virus early and the success would go up. The only thing I can think of is big pharma doesn’t want a cheap fix. www.rightnowmn.org/dr_vladimir_zelenko_has_now_treated_699_coronavirus_patients_with_100_success_using_hydroxychloroquine_sulfate_zinc_and_z_pakFear of lawsuits could be part of the reasons. They need to reform our legal system so liability expense isn't so expensive.
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Post by Freeborn on Apr 3, 2020 17:38:54 GMT -6
I think freeborns assessment is spot on. Lock in the susceptible. I see Them everywhere in Walmart. Protect (or warn) the at risk and let life move forward. My parents are at an age they should not be out but you can’t tell them what to do. My parents are in lockdown, they arnt going anywhere. My dad is a disinfecting machine.
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Post by chummer16 on Apr 3, 2020 17:47:01 GMT -6
Cuomo is taking ventilators from upstate NY and sending them to the city. We may get them back when they are done or get paid for them. He is also trying to move nurses there. This is total BS. He knows those ventilators are never coming back. We do the right thing and have very few cases so he is going to take our resources and send them to the city. If our wave comes later we will be screwed.
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Post by nhmountains on Apr 3, 2020 17:55:54 GMT -6
3M was selling the N95 masks to foreign nations for a higher profits. Others were hoarding them. My wife says they’re not testing people with the symptoms unless they’re admitted to a hospital so we’re only seeing a small portion of the people with the virus show up in the CDC numbers. Keep in mind there’s a risk of those people infecting large swaths of people and not know it. The numbers of deaths in New York have jumped up to over 2% of those with the confirmed with the virus. I’d like to see the numbers on what percentage of those people would’ve died within 6 months anyways. I think that’s a factor. I have seen that Italy said 50% would’ve died within 6 months regardless of the virus. That's pretty sad of 3m and others, not a fine moment for management of those companies. I don't know if they broke any laws but I would publish a list of the companies and hurt their brand equity. www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/04/02/fl-emergency-management-director-3m-prioritizing-masks-to-foreign-countries-with-cash-over-state-governments/
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Post by nhmountains on Apr 3, 2020 17:58:32 GMT -6
Cuomo is taking ventilators from upstate NY and sending them to the city. We may get them back when they are done or get paid for them. He is also trying to move nurses there. This is total BS. He knows those ventilators are never coming back. We do the right thing and have very few cases so he is going to take our resources and send them to the city. If our wave comes later we will be screwed. I figured that would happen Chummer. You upstaters always get screwed by the Big Apple. I hope it doesn’t get as bad up where you are.
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Post by Coda1 on Apr 3, 2020 18:58:31 GMT -6
How is this a poor reflection upon capitalism?
To make an extra few bucks companies have shifted manufacturing to China. Then to save even more they use the just in time inventory system. Now everyone wonders why we don't have supplies or capacity to manufacture enough.
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Post by Sandbur on Apr 3, 2020 19:01:36 GMT -6
I just can’t see the purpose of the corona test for many people. If it is widespread in a community and you are sick, just stay home. You might be negative today and positive two days later.
We need a widespread antibody test to show you have had the disease and are probably immune. Those with antibodies and then the young get back to work.
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Post by kooch on Apr 3, 2020 19:20:33 GMT -6
I just can’t see the purpose of the corona test for many people. If it is widespread in a community and you are sick, just stay home. You might be negative today and positive two days later. We need a widespread antibody test to show you have had the disease and are probably immune. Those with antibodies and then the young get back to work. Art may not have been a people doctor. But he’s a doctor. I value his opinion as a guy that’s studied a lot more science than most.
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Post by Sandbur on Apr 4, 2020 2:55:13 GMT -6
I just can’t see the purpose of the corona test for many people. If it is widespread in a community and you are sick, just stay home. You might be negative today and positive two days later. We need a widespread antibody test to show you have had the disease and are probably immune. Those with antibodies and then the young get back to work. I think we need a certain number of tests for active infection in a community. Once it reaches a certain threshold of positive cases, it should be considered widespread. Resources should then be shifted to treatment of critical ill and checking antibody levels of recovered people. Data other than number of positive cases could be used to determine when the peak of infection is over. Perhaps the tests for active infections should be brought back well after the peak to monitor new outbreaks. With cattle, we look at an at risk population. Somehow there needs to be monitoring of the herd, but each individual cow does not need multiple tests for diseases of this type. Certain diseases might and do require tests of each animal. Most of these are where a healthy , long term carrier of the disease is known to exist. It doesn’t appear to be this way with C19 at this point. I do understand Stu’s concern for more testing for people who work in many areas of the state. For those of us who are staying in a community, monitoring of the community MAY be enough. As always, I could be proven all wrong on my statements. However, all of us know people with severe anxiety and worry problems, who could be demanding a test every two or three days if it was free. This is not the way our money should be spent.
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Post by kl9 on Apr 4, 2020 4:20:55 GMT -6
How is this a poor reflection upon capitalism?
To make an extra few bucks companies have shifted manufacturing to China. Then to save even more they use the just in time inventory system. Now everyone wonders why we don't have supplies or capacity to manufacture enough.
This is true but why is it a bad thing? This is the case because you, me, and every other consumer has demanded it be this way. Our actions as consumers have demanded this trend for decades. It’s simply the case that if a consumer goes to Walmart for bacterial soap and there are 2 products, if all else equal majority of people will buy cheaper one each time. That sets all these wheels in motion for what you’re describing. The lack of supplies is certainly a worry, but this has nothing to do with capitalism.
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Post by nhmountains on Apr 4, 2020 4:51:21 GMT -6
To make an extra few bucks companies have shifted manufacturing to China. Then to save even more they use the just in time inventory system. Now everyone wonders why we don't have supplies or capacity to manufacture enough.
This is true but why is it a bad thing? This is the case because you, me, and every other consumer has demanded it be this way. Our actions as consumers have demanded this trend for decades. It’s simply the case that if a consumer goes to Walmart for bacterial soap and there are 2 products, if all else equal majority of people will buy cheaper one each time. That sets all these wheels in motion for what you’re describing. The lack of supplies is certainly a worry, but this has nothing to do with capitalism. Walmart got their foothold in this country by marketing that they sold American made products. They put a majority of the ma and pa stores out of business. They used to have pins that said they sold American made. Then they switched over to China. That leaves the consumer with very little choice but to buy China made products. Hopefully if we survive this we look around and have our products made in the USA or at least other countries. Trump had China on the ropes before this mysterious virus hit the world. Now they’re back in the drivers seat.
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