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Post by Foggy on Jun 30, 2020 7:17:17 GMT -6
My wife and I wanted to out to eat after the bars & grilles opened up around here. One evening we stopped at Lucky's in Pequot Lakes. Walked in......and every chair was full.....standing room only and folks were elbow to elbow. No masks by wait staff, etc. My wife said "lets get out of here" and we did. Went to the New Mexican Resteruant that is located in the "old Olvie Garden" buling. in Baxter. They had every - other table left open and proper distance between tables. No crowds. The wait staff all wore masks, etc. Felt far less risky for us old codgers. We decided to only go to places with good social distancing. The choices are fewer.....but it can be done. If we were 20 + years younger......we likely would have stayed at Lucky's. Choices we all need to make. We also are not attending any riots or looting activities. .
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Post by Foggy on Jun 30, 2020 7:21:49 GMT -6
I keep hearing about cases increasing. If they don’t share the numbers on total people tested, how many are negative, how many are not sick, how many are sick and how many need or need a hospital, then the data is incomplete. It is nothing but scare tactics. My in-laws are nearly brainwashed by the news. A few neighbors and customers too. NC went to mandatory mask last Friday. More people were wearing them but many have said F U big government. Fast food was drive thru only while driving back from vacation. No restrooms. So all of the beach vacationers had to piss break at a rest area or a gas station. You could stop at a gas station 4 hours from the beach and people would be stacked in line to piss. In my opinion it would be safer to open the fast food up and spread people out. I used it as an opportunity to show the kids the stupidity of government regulation. I read one article where many of the increases in cases are in counties adjacent to Mexico and involve people coming from there. Been watching AZ for some time. Maricopa County is where all the problems come from in OZ......and that is a very large county......and includes Phoenix and the suburbs of Phoenix. Over 6 million people.
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Post by badgerfowl on Jun 30, 2020 8:20:07 GMT -6
KS is going mandatory masks while indoors on the 3rd. Cases are increasing. Effort to prevent another shutdown. Cases don't mean shit though. Hospitalizations and deaths are what matters. But the MSM won't report that.
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Post by badgerfowl on Jun 30, 2020 8:22:58 GMT -6
My wife and I wanted to out to eat after the bars & grilles opened up around here. One evening we stopped at Lucky's in Pequot Lakes. Walked in......and every chair was full.....standing room only and folks were elbow to elbow. No masks by wait staff, etc. My wife said "lets get out of here" and we did. Went to the New Mexican Resteruant that is located in the "old Olvie Garden" buling. in Baxter. They had every - other table left open and proper distance between tables. No crowds. The wait staff all wore masks, etc. Felt far less risky for us old codgers. We decided to only go to places with good social distancing. The choices are fewer.....but it can be done. If we were 20 + years younger......we likely would have stayed at Lucky's. Choices we all need to make. We also are not attending any riots or looting activities. . We've been told you can't catch the 'Rona while rioting or looting. Riot on foggy!
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Post by nhmountains on Jun 30, 2020 8:39:36 GMT -6
KS is going mandatory masks while indoors on the 3rd. Cases are increasing. Effort to prevent another shutdown. Cases don't mean shit though. Hospitalizations and deaths are what matters. But the MSM won't report that. The deaths totals are dropping still overall still. They also don't report that the average / median age is dropping too
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Post by smsmith on Jun 30, 2020 8:44:26 GMT -6
My wife and I wanted to out to eat after the bars & grilles opened up around here. One evening we stopped at Lucky's in Pequot Lakes. Walked in......and every chair was full.....standing room only and folks were elbow to elbow. No masks by wait staff, etc. My wife said "lets get out of here" and we did. Went to the New Mexican Resteruant that is located in the "old Olvie Garden" buling. in Baxter. They had every - other table left open and proper distance between tables. No crowds. The wait staff all wore masks, etc. Felt far less risky for us old codgers. We decided to only go to places with good social distancing. The choices are fewer.....but it can be done. If we were 20 + years younger......we likely would have stayed at Lucky's. Choices we all need to make. We also are not attending any riots or looting activities. . No offense intended...but this is what we all should have been doing all along. If a person is in a higher risk category, they should do whatever they can to reduce their risk. Bars around here are back to normal...for now. I'm guessing within two weeks they'll be back to take out only, or possibly outdoor dining/drinking only. Sure hope I'm wrong
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Post by smsmith on Jun 30, 2020 9:05:44 GMT -6
Walz said this covid could be a problem for 12-24 months. I wonder if actions will change if Dems win the election? I guess I agree that it will be a problem for many months. The only answer is that many people will have to go through it. The quicker the young get immunity, the better for the rest of us. It clearly will be a problem for quite awhile. I'm guessing we're still a year or more away from a vaccine. With survival rates pushing 99%, it seems crazy to me that our leaders are still pushing the fear. Even Pence is on the mask wearing bandwagon
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Post by chummer16 on Jun 30, 2020 9:11:23 GMT -6
We have been mask in public for a couple months now. We just opened restaurants for dine in yesterday. My wife went out. Mask to the table, mask off at table, mask to the bathroom, go to bar for drink mask on, sitting at bar no mask. 25% capacity and you could only have a table for 2 hours(probably the restaurant policy). Who makes up this shit. You can still pack the Walmart.
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Post by smsmith on Jun 30, 2020 9:18:05 GMT -6
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Post by Catscratch on Jun 30, 2020 9:53:51 GMT -6
Adjustments should be based on three numbers; change in number of infections, hospitalizations, and deaths. One without the others is meaningless and doesn't tell a true story of severity or risk.
A fairly strong contingency thinks the virus may have mutated into a less severe form. If you find the numbers... deaths of the older age groups are down also which is telling. I think the media wants us to blame the people getting out (youth) for the spike and hope you assume deaths have gone up proportionally. I believe there are at least 3 known strains; the one in China, one in Europe, and the American strain. I also believe there have been differences found in the east coast vs west coast strains. This virus is in a family that is know to mutate easily so that scenario is at least likely. Other variables such as sunlight exposure can be making an affect also.
I was at a state budget meeting/workshop yesterday. Learned that KS packing plant not only have stayed open but have been giving raises to employees because business is good. Wondering about that beef shortage? Guess other states didn't keep them open.
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Post by sd51555 on Jun 30, 2020 10:12:01 GMT -6
It's always been a failure of statistics. Don't hold your breath for the police state to end when there is a vaccine. The goal post has moved numerous times, and will move again until the whole economy falls in on itself.
Goal 1: We need time to make ventilators & PPE Goal 2: We need time to slow the hospitalization rate Goal 3: We need time to flatten the infection rate Goal 4: We cannot open until there are zero cases Goal 5: We need time to get a vaccine
Guess what goal 6 is going to be.
"We cannot open because the vaccine isn't effective."
The only way to beat this thing is to ignore it. That's how we beat every other societal ailment we have. The deficit, black on black crime, inflation, auto-immune disorders in children, heart disease, CWD, polluted water, politician sexual assault etc.
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Post by nhmountains on Jun 30, 2020 10:12:56 GMT -6
Adjustments should be based on three numbers; change in number of infections, hospitalizations, and deaths. One without the others is meaningless and doesn't tell a true story of severity or risk. A fairly strong contingency thinks the virus may have mutated into a less severe form. If you find the numbers... deaths of the older age groups are down also which is telling. I think the media wants us to blame the people getting out (youth) for the spike and hope you assume deaths have gone up proportionally. I believe there are at least 3 known strains; the one in China, one in Europe, and the American strain. I also believe there have been differences found in the east coast vs west coast strains. This virus is in a family that is know to mutate easily so that scenario is at least likely. Other variables such as sunlight exposure can be making an affect also. I was at a state budget meeting/workshop yesterday. Learned that KS packing plant not only have stayed open but have been giving raises to employees because business is good. Wondering about that beef shortage? Guess other states didn't keep them open. Correct Cat but, don't forget a majority of the early deaths were in nursing homes because early on, New York and Michigan sent covid patients back into them. The old folks never stood a chance. Same in Massachusetts where the sent them into a VA center and wiped out 77 veterans. You take 40,000 nursing home deaths out of this and the death rate drops even more.
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Post by sd51555 on Jun 30, 2020 10:16:56 GMT -6
Adjustments should be based on three numbers; change in number of infections, hospitalizations, and deaths. One without the others is meaningless and doesn't tell a true story of severity or risk. A fairly strong contingency thinks the virus may have mutated into a less severe form. If you find the numbers... deaths of the older age groups are down also which is telling. I think the media wants us to blame the people getting out (youth) for the spike and hope you assume deaths have gone up proportionally. I believe there are at least 3 known strains; the one in China, one in Europe, and the American strain. I also believe there have been differences found in the east coast vs west coast strains. This virus is in a family that is know to mutate easily so that scenario is at least likely. Other variables such as sunlight exposure can be making an affect also. I was at a state budget meeting/workshop yesterday. Learned that KS packing plant not only have stayed open but have been giving raises to employees because business is good. Wondering about that beef shortage? Guess other states didn't keep them open. Correct Cat but, don't forget a majority of the early deaths were in nursing homes because early on, New York and Michigan sent covid patients back into them. The old folks never stood a chance. Same in Massachusetts where the sent them into a VA center and wiped out 77 veterans. You take 40,000 nursing home deaths out of this and the death rate drops even more. Did you also know that many in nursing homes chose to not fight it? I didn't know that. I spoke with a lady whose daughter works in a nursing home. A good number of those who got it chose no-treatment because they were so far gone they just wanted to go peacefully.
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Post by Foggy on Jun 30, 2020 10:51:54 GMT -6
I have a home nurse coming for my PICC line each week. She told me that she had cared for an old guy for many years.....and he has been on deaths doorstep for several years. Somehow got positive test on covid.....and that was put as his cause of death. She said even a cold could have killed him at that point. Statistics are all skewed on this one.
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Post by nhmountains on Jun 30, 2020 10:56:27 GMT -6
Correct Cat but, don't forget a majority of the early deaths were in nursing homes because early on, New York and Michigan sent covid patients back into them. The old folks never stood a chance. Same in Massachusetts where the sent them into a VA center and wiped out 77 veterans. You take 40,000 nursing home deaths out of this and the death rate drops even more. Did you also know that many in nursing homes chose to not fight it? I didn't know that. I spoke with a lady whose daughter works in a nursing home. A good number of those who got it chose no-treatment because they were so far gone they just wanted to go peacefully. Conversely in the Holyoke, Massachusetts VA they didn’t let the families know about it until after it had swept through the hospital. What happened there was appalling.
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