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Post by chummer16 on Jun 30, 2020 10:59:09 GMT -6
Did you also know that many in nursing homes chose to not fight it? I didn't know that. I spoke with a lady whose daughter works in a nursing home. A good number of those who got it chose no-treatment because they were so far gone they just wanted to go peacefully. Conversely in the Holyoke, Massachusetts VA they didn’t let the families know about it until after it had swept through the hospital. What happened there was appalling. Same in NY. They hid behind HIPA. It was on Cuomo’s orders but he will never have to answer for it.
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Post by nhmountains on Jun 30, 2020 11:01:03 GMT -6
Conversely in the Holyoke, Massachusetts VA they didn’t let the families know about it until after it had swept through the hospital. What happened there was appalling. Same in NY. They hid behind HIPA. It was on Cuomo’s orders but he will never have to answer for it. Until he tries running for president.
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Post by smsmith on Jun 30, 2020 11:23:27 GMT -6
Correct Cat but, don't forget a majority of the early deaths were in nursing homes because early on, New York and Michigan sent covid patients back into them. The old folks never stood a chance. Same in Massachusetts where the sent them into a VA center and wiped out 77 veterans. You take 40,000 nursing home deaths out of this and the death rate drops even more. Did you also know that many in nursing homes chose to not fight it? I didn't know that. I spoke with a lady whose daughter works in a nursing home. A good number of those who got it chose no-treatment because they were so far gone they just wanted to go peacefully. There's a fair number of folks out there who believe Walz put covid positive patients into nursing homes for that exact reason. Decrease the number of old folks...decrease the drain on S.S. and medicare. Make it possible to start giving the young commies a government "income" and free healthcare
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Post by Sandbur on Jun 30, 2020 13:36:02 GMT -6
It's always been a failure of statistics. Don't hold your breath for the police state to end when there is a vaccine. The goal post has moved numerous times, and will move again until the whole economy falls in on itself. Goal 1: We need time to make ventilators & PPE Goal 2: We need time to slow the hospitalization rate Goal 3: We need time to flatten the infection rate Goal 4: We cannot open until there are zero cases Goal 5: We need time to get a vaccine Guess what goal 6 is going to be. "We cannot open because the vaccine isn't effective." The only way to beat this thing is to ignore it. That's how we beat every other societal ailment we have. The deficit, black on black crime, inflation, auto-immune disorders in children, heart disease, CWD, polluted water, politician sexual assault etc. Or the vaccine actually makes the disease worse in a certain sub group of people, when they contact the virus after vaccination.
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Post by Sandbur on Jun 30, 2020 13:40:22 GMT -6
We have a family member in a nursing home whose mental state has deteriorated significantly during this isolation.
I don’t think most family members were aware of it as no one could really visit with her. Did the long term isolation cause or advance it? It makes me wonder what would have been best for some of these elderly people
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Post by wiscwhip on Jul 1, 2020 9:20:43 GMT -6
It's always been a failure of statistics. Don't hold your breath for the police state to end when there is a vaccine. The goal post has moved numerous times, and will move again until the whole economy falls in on itself. Goal 1: We need time to make ventilators & PPE Goal 2: We need time to slow the hospitalization rate Goal 3: We need time to flatten the infection rate Goal 4: We cannot open until there are zero cases Goal 5: We need time to get a vaccine Guess what goal 6 is going to be. "We cannot open because the vaccine isn't effective." The only way to beat this thing is to ignore it. That's how we beat every other societal ailment we have. The deficit, black on black crime, inflation, auto-immune disorders in children, heart disease, CWD, polluted water, politician sexual assault etc. Or the vaccine actually makes the disease worse in a certain sub group of people, when they contact the virus after vaccination. I actually think this could happen. I have been skipping flu shots for the last several years, simply because when I had gotten them in the past, whenever I did get sick, even with a cold, it lingered for 6 or 8 weeks or more. Never get super sick, but never really get over it like a person should either. If I don't get a flu shot, pretty sick for a few days to a week, and the next week I'm starting to feel better.
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Post by batman on Jul 1, 2020 9:30:38 GMT -6
My family got flu shot 2 years in a row and all got sick. I skipped and never had the issues they had.
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Post by Reagan on Jul 1, 2020 10:13:19 GMT -6
Never had a flu shot. Rarely get sick.
I was sick for 2 weeks in March. Never tested but I suspect the Wuhan might have got me.
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Post by Catscratch on Jul 1, 2020 10:27:59 GMT -6
If you give blood (locally anyway) they'll do a free antibody test for you and tell you if you've had it or not.
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Post by Foggy on Jul 1, 2020 11:01:34 GMT -6
If you give blood (locally anyway) they'll do a free antibody test for you and tell you if you've had it or not. ^ My daughter said the same for our area. Good idea.
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Post by Reagan on Jul 1, 2020 11:20:11 GMT -6
If you give blood (locally anyway) they'll do a free antibody test for you and tell you if you've had it or not. Hoxworth Blood center calls and emails me every week asking me to come back and donate. They clearly state they will not provide the results of their antibody test. I’m all for blood donation but will not give them any if they won’t provide data they will certainly collect on me.
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Post by Catscratch on Jul 2, 2020 11:40:17 GMT -6
New York is issuing subpoenas to people who attended a party but is refusing to speak to virus chasers about being there. Ths could get messy in my view.
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Post by Sandbur on Jul 2, 2020 11:48:53 GMT -6
The shut down is having permanent effects. The medical facility where my family has gone for family visits for 25 years is closing.
Thank you, Governor!
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Post by smsmith on Jul 2, 2020 11:57:12 GMT -6
The shut down is having permanent effects. The medical facility where my family has gone for family visits for 25 years is closing. Thank you, Governor! That sucks. I was worried about the hospital in L.P. closing, but it sounds like they will remain open. Reducing access to medical care in rural communities is absolutely NOT something that should happen.
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Post by Sandbur on Jul 2, 2020 12:23:42 GMT -6
The shut down is having permanent effects. The medical facility where my family has gone for family visits for 25 years is closing. Thank you, Governor! That sucks. I was worried about the hospital in L.P. closing, but it sounds like they will remain open. Reducing access to medical care in rural communities is absolutely NOT something that should happen. We are only in the land of Rocks and Cows... per our Governor.
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