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Post by MoBuckChaser on Mar 20, 2020 6:15:19 GMT -6
These are actual US numbers. Maybe there’ll be more but, as I’ve said, more than 300 a day are dying from the common seasonal flu. Channel 5 news said 11 Minnesotans died this week from the common flu. Zero still from CV. My buddy Charlie was one of the flu deaths. He thought nothing of it and it killed him. I guess you can’t even take the flu lightly anymore.
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Post by Freeborn on Mar 20, 2020 6:21:09 GMT -6
Does anyone else see it over the last four to five days? I see a compassionate, caring President who is concerned for his people and who is trying to make good decisions. I see less bickering with the other side of the aisle. I like what I see and he deserves to be called PRESIDENT Trump and not Trump. I also see a good Vice President and that is Mr. Pence, not Mr. Biden as some are calling him VP. He is a former VP and should be called former. Will this build Trump’s base? Quite frankly, I'm I see things in black & white. President Trump is a human being that was right for such a time like this. He's been able to handle all of the media hate for him since he won the GOP nomination in the summer of 2016. The left is completely venomous, I don't know particularly why, I didn't agree with President Obama all the time but I don't believe he was racist or his followers hated me. Same would go to Bush or (Bill) Clinton.
2016's election something changed it was an all out blitz of hate speech. Honestly, only the person knows their real hearts intention. I don't hate liberal minded people, I will say though, every democrat or left leaning people I know, are extremely venomous towards anyone with moral views or conservatively minded.
I really don't understand personally why someone that is liberal isn't even more accepting than I am personally. The world Liberal literally means "open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values" & "(of education) concerned mainly with broadening a person's general knowledge and experience, rather than with technical or professional training." Yet the Liberal side seems filled with extreme hate where I would almost categorize them as malicious or even leaning demonic in nature.
I am not a perfect person but I try to like all people, or if I don't care for a particular person I change the channel or don't hang around with them socially. I don't fill the internet or minds of others with hate speech for them or their beliefs.
Trump, as I view him, is a compassionate person that cares truly about the American Value system and it's people, whether they like him or not.
I agree with everything but 1 item, the Liberal Hate was terrible under GW Bush. There were allot of Nazi and Satan signs when Bush was President. Bush was the first real liberal republican and the liberals hated him, why? Did they fear Bush would compete under their message? I have also seen through meeting people or at work allot of hate from the left. I have also seen how quickly the left boils up to the point where they are angry, its concerning. I see Trump as a common man, just because he made allot of money does not mean he is not a common person. I think the left is very arrogant and if you don't believe exactly what they believe you are seen as the enemy.
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Post by sd51555 on Mar 20, 2020 6:38:44 GMT -6
Turn an ear towards their comments on violence. I've always wondered why the left wants so badly to ban guns. I have started listening to how they talk, even in passive half serious conversation. It is alarming how often they wish death and harm upon people that they don't agree with them. Deep down, I bet they think this is ok because, orange man bad.
Knowing they have these sick thoughts of hurting or killing someone because they don't submit to their ideology, it makes perfect sense why they would want everyone disarmed. "We're all mental. We shouldn't have guns." The disney kids do this on a regular basis, and I never miss an opportunity to urge them to not say such violent things, and remind them that violence is never the answer.
And knowing is half the battle.
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Post by nhmountains on Mar 20, 2020 6:42:54 GMT -6
Channel 5 news said 11 Minnesotans died this week from the common flu. Zero still from CV. My buddy Charlie was one of the flu deaths. He thought nothing of it and it killed him. I guess you can’t even take the flu lightly anymore. The flu kills thousands of people every year. Usually between 20,000 to 30,000 in the US. The season is usually is 6 months so 150+ people a day die from it and have for years. The same at risk people that have died from the corona virus would probably die from the flu.
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Post by mnaaron on Mar 20, 2020 7:21:08 GMT -6
My buddy Charlie was one of the flu deaths. He thought nothing of it and it killed him. I guess you can’t even take the flu lightly anymore. The flu kills thousands of people every year. Usually between 20,000 to 30,000 in the US. The season is usually is 6 months so 150+ people a day die from it and have for years. The same at risk people that have died from the corona virus would probably die from the flu. The influenza is deadly no doubt but vaccines have lowered the risk. For the at risk populations this Corona is by far more deadly.
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Post by smsmith on Mar 20, 2020 7:26:38 GMT -6
The flu kills thousands of people every year. Usually between 20,000 to 30,000 in the US. The season is usually is 6 months so 150+ people a day die from it and have for years. The same at risk people that have died from the corona virus would probably die from the flu. The influenza is deadly no doubt but vaccines have lowered the risk. For the at risk populations this Corona is by far more deadly.Exactly. I hope the anti-vaxxers learn something from this whole deal. Herd immunity protects the world's population from many diseases/viruses. Once a vaccine for Covid-19 is formulated, most intelligent people will get the annual vaccine just like a flu shot. There really isn't a comparison between the flu and Covid-19 right now.
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Post by smsmith on Mar 20, 2020 7:43:48 GMT -6
The influenza is deadly no doubt but vaccines have lowered the risk. For the at risk populations this Corona is by far more deadly. The numbers aren’t showing that. We have no idea of how many cases of Covid-19 there are. Influenza is easily tested/confirmed. I am hopeful that the estimates of deaths I'm seeing for Covid are wildly inaccurate.
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Post by kl9 on Mar 20, 2020 7:56:14 GMT -6
The numbers aren’t showing that. We have no idea of how many cases of Covid-19 there are. Influenza is easily tested/confirmed. I am hopeful that the estimates of deaths I'm seeing for Covid are wildly inaccurate. If there are more unknown positives out there for C19 that would actually help the argument for flu being more deadly with this data set. If I’m not mistaken, covid-19 is supposed to be more transmissible and is also more deadly to at risk people than is the flu. The WHO has some good numbers on this.
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Post by Sandbur on Mar 20, 2020 7:58:29 GMT -6
The numbers aren’t showing that. We have no idea of how many cases of Covid-19 there are. Influenza is easily tested/confirmed. I am hopeful that the estimates of deaths I'm seeing for Covid are wildly inaccurate. I just wonder about this data. No question in my mind that vivid is bad. If a person dies and is positive for covid are they calling it covid caused when he/ she might have died from something else. Was covid just a complicating factor for the other disease? So if you have a bad case of emphysema and get covid, did you die from covid or emphysema? Questions are just for thought.
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Post by batman on Mar 20, 2020 7:59:14 GMT -6
Covid mirrors CWD.
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Post by smsmith on Mar 20, 2020 8:02:28 GMT -6
I really hope those of you who believe Covid-19 to be overblown are correct. However, I find it hard to believe that government at every level on both sides of the aisle are doing what is being done for "nothing".
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Post by smsmith on Mar 20, 2020 8:09:23 GMT -6
We have no idea of how many cases of Covid-19 there are. Influenza is easily tested/confirmed. I am hopeful that the estimates of deaths I'm seeing for Covid are wildly inaccurate. If there are more unknown positives out there for C19 that would actually help the argument for flu being more deadly with this data set. If I’m not mistaken, covid-19 is supposed to be more transmissible and is also more deadly to at risk people than is the flu. The WHO has some good numbers on this. Correct, except that the death toll for C19 is far from being known at this time. If death rates in the U.S. stay around 1.4%, 25% of the population gets it (who knows) = over a million dead. That's the kind of shit that is shutting down life as we know it.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Mar 20, 2020 8:22:05 GMT -6
I’ll predict less than 40,000 deaths in US from CV... less than the common flu.
Just my prediction, but I’m basing that on similar trends in other countries.
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Post by nhmountains on Mar 20, 2020 8:35:17 GMT -6
We have no idea of how many cases of Covid-19 there are. Influenza is easily tested/confirmed. I am hopeful that the estimates of deaths I'm seeing for Covid are wildly inaccurate. If there are more unknown positives out there for C19 that would actually help the argument for flu being more deadly with this data set. If I’m not mistaken, covid-19 is supposed to be more transmissible and is also more deadly to at risk people than is the flu. The WHO has some good numbers on this. Correct. A few NBA players tested positive yesterday and they didn’t even know they had it. I’ve seen numbers that up to 80% can have it and show no major symptoms. What I’d like to see are the numbers of at risk people. My guess is many would also die of the flu if they caught it. At risk people are targets regardless of what they catch. Older people do need to remain in isolation and take preventive measures to limit exposure but, they should do that every flu season as well. Most don’t.
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Post by kl9 on Mar 20, 2020 8:41:26 GMT -6
If there are more unknown positives out there for C19 that would actually help the argument for flu being more deadly with this data set. If I’m not mistaken, covid-19 is supposed to be more transmissible and is also more deadly to at risk people than is the flu. The WHO has some good numbers on this. Correct. A few NBA players tested positive yesterday and they didn’t even know they had it. I’ve seen numbers that up to 80% can have it and show no major symptoms. What I’d like to see are the numbers of at risk people. My guess is many would also die of the flu if they caught it. At risk people are targets regardless of what they catch. Older people do need to remain in isolation and take preventive measures to limit exposure but, they should do that every flu season as well. Most don’t. The numbers are out there. C19 is worse for at risk people, this has been the determination so far. I will link them when I find them
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