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Post by Freeborn on Nov 2, 2021 7:50:37 GMT -6
^ That is one reason folks plant green into the standing rye......to get a head start on the short season. Ground warms more quickly by letting the rye stand rather than roll it. Also far easier to plant into the standing rye. I doubt if the rye will flower until the ground gets to 50 degrees or so. Rolling too early will not get a good kill on the rye......gotta roll it at the dough stage.....according to everything I have read. I'm not extremely worried about a long enough growing season for the beans as I am not looking for a cash crop......just summer forage. Mostly I want to keep green stuff going for the N, for summer nutrition, and to surprise weeds.....the payoff comes for me when I plant my fall candy crops and rye for the following year. .Also I am not worried about drilling into the beans....that should be a non event in September '22. The drill is a game changer. Of course the things I tend to not worry about can come back to bite me at times. Grin. This is uncharted water for me....thus all the you tube info. OK, so you don't plan on leaving the beans as a fall/winter food source? if you don't care about the bean Pods then its a different story but it seems counter to why you plant beans. Maybe a mix? Plant away and I will stay tune to see your results.
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Post by Foggy on Nov 2, 2021 7:57:27 GMT -6
^ That is one reason folks plant green into the standing rye......to get a head start on the short season. Ground warms more quickly by letting the rye stand rather than roll it. Also far easier to plant into the standing rye. I doubt if the rye will flower until the ground gets to 50 degrees or so. Rolling too early will not get a good kill on the rye......gotta roll it at the dough stage.....according to everything I have read. I'm not extremely worried about a long enough growing season for the beans as I am not looking for a cash crop......just summer forage. Mostly I want to keep green stuff going for the N, for summer nutrition, and to surprise weeds.....the payoff comes for me when I plant my fall candy crops and rye for the following year. .Also I am not worried about drilling into the beans....that should be a non event in September '22. The drill is a game changer. Of course the things I tend to not worry about can come back to bite me at times. Grin. This is uncharted water for me....thus all the you tube info. OK, so you don't plan on leaving the beans as a fall/winter food source? if you don't care about the bean Pods then its a different story but it seems counter to why you plant beans. Maybe a mix? Plant away and I will stay tune to see your results. My beans have never amounted to much come fall. I only want the beans for forage and the legume for nitrogen for the brassica crops to come in fall.....when I again plant winter rye. Keep something growing all the time. Plan is to never till and eliminate fertilizer (over time) and chemicals....preserve moisture and build better soils. I'm only trying an acre or two of beans.....the other crops will be buckwheat and a warm-season mix by GCC. Also adding some sunflowers to all. Will see what works best for following years. EDIT: Here is what is in the "Summer Release" warm season mix: Hubam Sweet Clover, Sunn Hemp, Red Ripper Cowpeas, Mung Beans, Guar Beans, 5518 Soybeans, Grain Sorghum, Impact Forage Collards, Black Oil Sunflowers, Baldy Spineless Safflower, Mancan Buckwheat, Clemson Spineless 80 Okra
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Post by Foggy on Nov 2, 2021 8:07:26 GMT -6
^. Just making a plan in my mind......but I think I will put the summer release on the best lands.....the beans on the good land......and the buckwheat on the poorest land I got. Hopefully this will build all of these soils for 2023......at which time I will have more knowledge on what worked.
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Post by smsmith on Nov 2, 2021 10:00:22 GMT -6
OK, so you don't plan on leaving the beans as a fall/winter food source? if you don't care about the bean Pods then its a different story but it seems counter to why you plant beans. Maybe a mix? Plant away and I will stay tune to see your results. My beans have never amounted to much come fall. I only want the beans for forage and the legume for nitrogen for the brassica crops to come in fall.....when I again plant winter rye. Keep something growing all the time. Plan is to never till and eliminate fertilizer (over time) and chemicals....preserve moisture and build better soils. I'm only trying an acre or two of beans.....the other crops will be buckwheat and a warm-season mix by GCC. Also adding some sunflowers to all. Will see what works best for following years. EDIT: Here is what is in the "Summer Release" warm season mix: Hubam Sweet Clover, Sunn Hemp, Red Ripper Cowpeas, Mung Beans, Guar Beans, 5518 Soybeans, Grain Sorghum, Impact Forage Collards, Black Oil Sunflowers, Baldy Spineless Safflower, Mancan Buckwheat, Clemson Spineless 80 Okra As you build your soils, you may be able to grow better bean crops in the years to come (if you want to)
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Post by Sandbur on Nov 2, 2021 10:49:47 GMT -6
My beans have never amounted to much come fall. I only want the beans for forage and the legume for nitrogen for the brassica crops to come in fall.....when I again plant winter rye. Keep something growing all the time. Plan is to never till and eliminate fertilizer (over time) and chemicals....preserve moisture and build better soils. I'm only trying an acre or two of beans.....the other crops will be buckwheat and a warm-season mix by GCC. Also adding some sunflowers to all. Will see what works best for following years. EDIT: Here is what is in the "Summer Release" warm season mix: Hubam Sweet Clover, Sunn Hemp, Red Ripper Cowpeas, Mung Beans, Guar Beans, 5518 Soybeans, Grain Sorghum, Impact Forage Collards, Black Oil Sunflowers, Baldy Spineless Safflower, Mancan Buckwheat, Clemson Spineless 80 Okra As you build your soils, you may be able to grow better bean crops in the years to come (if you want to) I feel it is hard to grow beans or corn in narrow strips and get a decent crop if you have decent deer numbers. I see that with two strips of corn I try and grow. You need more blocks, wider than strips, to escape the browsing pressure.
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Post by Foggy on Nov 2, 2021 11:14:02 GMT -6
As you build your soils, you may be able to grow better bean crops in the years to come (if you want to) I feel it is hard to grow beans or corn in narrow strips and get a decent crop if you have decent deer numbers. I see that with two strips of corn I try and grow. You need more blocks, wider than strips, to escape the browsing pressure. I got a bag of short maturity corn that I will put in the ground somewhere. Been debating what I should do with it. Maybe I should trade it for something else. Corn seems like it will just upset my plans. It's Liberty Link Corn.....so it's not cheap seed....tho it's two years old next spring. For me sorghum or milo in a mix would make more sense.
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Post by Foggy on Nov 2, 2021 12:10:31 GMT -6
Here is a video of "Planting Green" (pumpkins) into a winter rye cover crop. Later they will roller / crimp the rye to turn it into a dead mulch and prevent weeds. They do the same thing with soybeans. In both cases....the cash crop is allowed to germinate and grow to about 4 to 6" tall....before the rye is terminated. This does not hurt the beans or pumpkins....in fact some say it stimulates them to grow better.
But this takes waiting for the milk or dough stage of those rye seed heads in order to get a good kill. Do it wrong.....and you may have a busted plan. It's said tp be far easier to plant into the standing rye than the rolled rye......and you can get a head start growing the crops into the standing rye and remain basically weed free. Also the soils are allowed to warm faster. No herbicides.
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Post by sd51555 on Nov 2, 2021 13:37:59 GMT -6
I feel it is hard to grow beans or corn in narrow strips and get a decent crop if you have decent deer numbers. I see that with two strips of corn I try and grow. You need more blocks, wider than strips, to escape the browsing pressure. I got a bag of short maturity corn that I will put in the ground somewhere. Been debating what I should do with it. Maybe I should trade it for something else. Corn seems like it will just upset my plans. It's Liberty Link Corn.....so it's not cheap seed....tho it's two years old next spring. For me sorghum or milo in a mix would make more sense. Is it treated already? Or is it naked seed? If it's got the funny colored stuff on it, give it away, and offer to deliver.
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Post by Foggy on Nov 4, 2021 7:44:39 GMT -6
I got a bag of short maturity corn that I will put in the ground somewhere. Been debating what I should do with it. Maybe I should trade it for something else. Corn seems like it will just upset my plans. It's Liberty Link Corn.....so it's not cheap seed....tho it's two years old next spring. For me sorghum or milo in a mix would make more sense. Is it treated already? Or is it naked seed? If it's got the funny colored stuff on it, give it away, and offer to deliver. It's got a beautifully blue/green tinge to it. No worries.....I passed it out to the kids that came by for Halloween.....and they thought it was candy corn. .
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Post by Foggy on Nov 4, 2021 18:26:57 GMT -6
Spent a little time today to make sure this plate would fit into my JD71 unit planter. Fits nicely. So I did a bit of Dremel work to enlarge four cells for pumpkin seeds.....and filled the other cells wit epoxy. Waiting for it to fully cure so I can trim some of the edges.....but it seems to have worked pretty good. My only cost is about $10 for expoxy....as I already had the plate. They do vary a bit depending on variety of seed......but it looks like I should get from three to five seeds to drop at a time. I plan to have my planter drop this group of seeds about ever four to five feet......if I got my calculations correct. I think I will try to plant the pumpkins before I roller / crimp the rye in June. It should be fairly easy to plant into the standing rye.....then form a nice Matt over the emerged pumpkin vines. Hopefully I will not have much weeding. Then I will leave these grow until planting (braisica and rye) into this patch in September or so ??. I suppose it will depend a bit on what the pumpkins look like at that point. Gotta play this by ear.....but I think I will plant the pumkings around the perimeter of the plot(s) so that I can re-seed in fall. May throw some soy beans in the other planter unit.....and put in a row of beans to use em up and provide some nitrogen. Wuddnt worry about drilling through those beans.
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Post by daydreamer on Nov 4, 2021 18:48:51 GMT -6
Speaking of pumpkins, look at the pumpkins still in this field in Champlin at 610 and 169. Not sure what the deal is. There is about 30 acres of pumpkins here. Wonder how they planted them.
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Post by wklman on Nov 4, 2021 19:02:40 GMT -6
Speaking of pumpkins, look at the pumpkins still in this field in Champlin at 610 and 169. Not sure what the deal is. There is about 30 acres of pumpkins here. Wonder how they planted them. I'm guessing with tillage because they look so nice.
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Post by Foggy on Nov 4, 2021 19:43:22 GMT -6
Speaking of pumpkins, look at the pumpkins still in this field in Champlin at 610 and 169. Not sure what the deal is. There is about 30 acres of pumpkins here. Wonder how they planted them. I'm guessing with tillage because they look so nice. Wink....you are defineately old school. Your gonna make a fine JPS. Grin
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Post by wklman on Nov 4, 2021 19:52:53 GMT -6
I'm guessing with tillage because they look so nice. Wink....you are defineately old school. Your gonna make a fine JPS. Grin Oh, I love busting SD and your balls 😄 Somebody's gotta do it.
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Post by Sandbur on Nov 5, 2021 4:21:25 GMT -6
I'm guessing with tillage because they look so nice. Wink....you are defineately old school. Your gonna make a fine JPS. Grin The only way JPS learn new tricks is after moonshine, or hard apple cider!
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